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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You made this statement and now I’m asking you to explain what is the sense that I use that you’re referring to?

Christ on frigging bicycle. How can you forget your own posts so quickly? You made this bogus claim:

" Doesn’t sound like you were ever born again to me or ever met Jesus Christ for yourself, "
 
Christ on frigging bicycle. How can you forget your own posts so quickly? You made this bogus claim:

" Doesn’t sound like you were ever born again to me or ever met Jesus Christ for yourself, "
Ok so you don’t know or you don’t want to say. When you figure it out let me know.:)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Ok so you don’t know or you don’t want to say. When you figure it out let me know.:)
What the hell? I quoted you. It is rather amazing how you cannot follow the tenets of your own belief.

Tell me what you do not understand. Try to be clear. You made a bogus claim. I pointed out how it was likely based upon an abuse of a Bible verse. I refused to put the verse that you probably abused because I do not want to be falsely accused of a strawman argument. Quit playing silly games. It is less than honorable to debate in this fashion.
 
What the hell? I quoted you. It is rather amazing how you cannot follow the tenets of your own belief.

Tell me what you do not understand. Try to be clear. You made a bogus claim. I pointed out how it was likely based upon an abuse of a Bible verse. I refused to put the verse that you probably abused because I do not want to be falsely accused of a strawman argument. Quit playing silly games. It is less than honorable to debate in this fashion.
Did you miss #295?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I don’t make bogus claims, so what is the bogus claim you’re talking about?
You do all of the time. When you make claims and cannot properly support them they are bogus. And I already made it clear which bogus claim of yours that I was referring to. It was clear when I first made it and then I quoted from the post.

Seriously do try to pay attention here.
 
You do all of the time. When you make claims and cannot properly support them they are bogus. And I already made it clear which bogus claim of yours that I was referring to. It was clear when I first made it and then I quoted from the post.

Seriously do try to pay attention here.
How can a person say they were born again one minute and then say Jesus Christ is imaginary? Sorry, if you’re saying He is imaginary then you weren’t born again.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
How can a person say they were born again one minute and then say Jesus Christ is imaginary?

It's not just me, I know plenty of other people who have done just that.
Sorry, if you’re saying He is imaginary then you weren’t born again.

Which is just a no true Scotsman fallacy. The problem is that being 'born again' is just something that subjectively feels real that you believe is real. You can't provide any objective evidence for it, so dismissing my experience (and the others like me) as being different to yours is just blind faith. There is no test you can do on somebody who says they are 'born again' to tell if they are later going to reject it as not being real.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Brother, if you’re saying you met an imaginary person then you never met Him and certainly weren’t born again.

Again, you've edited out an ignored all the inconvenient things I said. Typical of blind faith. Faith is a well evolved meme, it's very good at preventing the mind from thinking objectively about it. You feel it's real (and you probably did have a real experience, I did), so you believe it's real, so it must be real, and people who reject it can't have experienced the same as you, because you believe that you know it's real. It's all entirely circular and self-sustaining. A difficult trap to get out of, but people do, nevertheless.
 
Again, you've edited out an ignored all the inconvenient things I said. Typical of blind faith. Faith is a well evolved meme, it's very good at preventing the mind from thinking objectively about it. You feel it's real (and you probably did have a real experience, I did), so you believe it's real, so it must be real, and people who reject it can't have experienced the same as you, because you believe that you know it's real. It's all entirely circular and self-sustaining. A difficult trap to get out of, but people do, nevertheless.
If person has a “blind faith” I would understand how they could be blown around from one thing to the next, there is no substance in that situation. My trust in God isn’t blind faith, He did something for me and revealed Himself, He filled me with His Spirit, changed me, opened my eyes to understand Scripture, He is active in my life every day. I know I have eternal life because God gave me a guarantee, His Spirit, that’s how I communicate with God, by His Spirit in prayer which is all through the day whether in the car, home, anywhere.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
My trust in God isn’t blind faith, He did something for me and revealed Himself, He filled me with His Spirit, changed me, opened my eyes to understand Scripture, He is active in my life every day. I know I have eternal life because God gave me a guarantee, His Spirit, that’s how I communicate with God, by His Spirit in prayer which is all through the day whether in the car, home, anywhere.

All of which is the sort of thing I would have said and all of which is entirely subjective and unverifiable belief, i.e. blind faith.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
How can a person say they were born again one minute and then say Jesus Christ is imaginary? Sorry, if you’re saying He is imaginary then you weren’t born again.
Because some people can see that the Bible is not true. It appears that you are claiming that if a person is born again that their brain no longer functions properly.

You yourself have demonstrated that your belief is irrational. You refuse to even consider testing it properly. All you have is mere belief, and that is wrong quite often. When it comes to God claims it is demonstrably wrong most of the time.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If person has a “blind faith” I would understand how they could be blown around from one thing to the next, there is no substance in that situation. My trust in God isn’t blind faith, He did something for me and revealed Himself, He filled me with His Spirit, changed me, opened my eyes to understand Scripture, He is active in my life every day. I know I have eternal life because God gave me a guarantee, His Spirit, that’s how I communicate with God, by His Spirit in prayer which is all through the day whether in the car, home, anywhere.
No, you have blind faith and have continually confirmed that. I am rather amazed that you do not realize that.
 
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