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God is the one who's creating all the things that you see all around you.

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Yers, it is. You can't see that and thus it is not based on observation. It is a process in the brains of those who believe in that.
It is much more than that. Granted, we cannot replicate the event. But the claim that it is impossible for the universe to have arisen as we know it on its own has been shown to be without merit.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Of course it's impossible. And you can't show otherwise.
LOL! When you claim it is impossible you take on a burden of proof. Now people may try to explain to you why you are wrong, but I know that you do not have the education to understand the explanation.

But let's go over some parts of it anyway.

Are you aware that there is a mass energy equivalence?

And second do you know how scientists can measure the expansion of the universe?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Come on..
How will you challenge this statement ?

Everything? Like the trucks in my driveway even?
Or just natural things, which my trucks are made from things found in nature, made by man who was supposedly created by a god,,,so did a god create my trucks?

Why would a god create opposites?
Happy/sad
Healthy/sick
Etc

Wouldn't we all be better off happy and healthy?
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You are circular in effect. You assume your imaginary unreal rúle to be real and then you point out how all other cases of unreal is unreal based on your unreal rule. You are not doubting your rule, you treat it as dogmatic, beyond doubt.
Every time we have this argument, I point out that your actions show you share the essential assumptions.

And the rest of the time is repeating myself while you try to pretend otherwise.
 
LOL! When you claim it is impossible you take on a burden of proof. Now people may try to explain to you why you are wrong, but I know that you do not have the education to understand the explanation.

But let's go over some parts of it anyway.

Are you aware that there is a mass energy equivalence?

And second do you know how scientists can measure the expansion of the universe?
https://esahubble.org/science/age_size/
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Since when does the human pretense of "objectivity" determine what does and doesn't exist?
Since the Enlightenment we've become more and more self-conscious about subjectivity. That's why reasoned enquiry, including scientific method, endeavors to maximize objectivity. And the justification for reasoned enquiry, including scientific method, is that it works in reality better than any other alternative.

The reason it doesn't work for religion, as far as I can tell, is that supernatural belief is not concerned with reality. Hence it has no objective standard of truth.
Essentially you've arbitrarily defined God out of the possibility of existing by defining it irrationally
All I've done is carefully distinguish the objectively real from the purely conceptual / purely imaginary.

And not only have we never found God in the world external to the self, but the whole concept of God is composed of imaginary, not real, qualities ─ omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, perfect, eternal, infinite, nothing of biology, morphology, color, metabolism, life cycle &c. So there isn't even the concept of a real God, a God with objective existence.

Nor is there any coherent concept of real "godness", the quality that a real God would have and a real superscientist who could create universes, raise the dead &c, would lack.
and then decided that God doesn't exist.
All you need to do to demonstrate that I'm wrong is to show me a real God. But no one does.
 
Sorry, but just because you like to pretend that something is real doesn't make it actually real.
People can pretend things are real or base their lives on a lie and end up paying the price for it. That’s why everyone is personally responsible for the decisions they make for themselves and should base their lives on Truth and be firmly convinced. I am and glad that you are too.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
People can pretend things are real or base their lives on a lie and end up paying the price for it. That’s why everyone is personally responsible for the decisions they make for themselves and should base their lives on Truth and be firmly convinced. I am and glad that you are too.
So you are admitting to be at fault for the "lies" that you believe.

Finally a sign of progress.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Wrong again, please read slowly so you can understand what I said or I can put it in layman’s terms.
I understood what you wrote. Sadly you did not. You believe ideas that can be shown to be wrong. You implied that you would take responsibility for your false beliefs but now you appear to be hypocritically walking back your claim.

Please make up your mind.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
LOL! When you claim it is impossible you take on a burden of proof. Now people may try to explain to you why you are wrong, but I know that you do not have the education to understand the explanation.

But let's go over some parts of it anyway.

Are you aware that there is a mass energy equivalence?

And second do you know how scientists can measure the expansion of the universe?
Can't have an expansion until there's something to expand.
 
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