More wars in the name of the Abrahamic God than any other God!

[firedragon]

@Hockeycowboy said that the fact that Kamikaze pilots had some Religious motives is sign of a false Religion.

What?? Nothing in Shinto Doctrine or Scripture supports Japanese wars of aggression or unhealthy nationalism.

Abrahamic Scriptures on the other hand have some words of peace with many countless calls to violence, genocide, and nationalism.

Ancient Israel was extremely nationalistic and militant, Exalting itself and the chosen people above every other nation, and committing wars of aggression and genocide.

If God wishes that his chosen people be more blessed and superior, I'll respect his decision, but I'm not going to deny the obvious either.

Jesus chose twelve descendants of Jacob to be his Apostles , and said he came for the children of Israel. He referred to a gentile woman and her people as dogs.

He wouldn't heal the woman's daughter until she admitted her people were essentially dogs. Just google it and see for yourself.

I'm only stating the obvious.

People can use Abrahamic Scripture to justify violence, genocide, nationalism, and even slavery , and racism.

Scripture supports and sanctions all of the above, even though there are some verses that say otherwise.

It doesn't change the fact that Scripture still sanctions and supports such behavior, and people have used them to justify those behaviors. A few words of peace doesn't cancel the rest out.

Nothing in Shinto Scripture justifies violence , because there are no Shinto Scriptures , or known founder, and the only Shinto Doctrine is "belief in the Kami, the dead become Kami", and a tradition to build spirit homes, shrines, Kamidanas, and Hondens for Kami to find rest, love, and blessing.

There is Shinto tradition of enshrining everyone who dies in combat. The Kamikaze all told each other before their missions that they would meet together again at Yasukuni Shrine, where their names and birthdates are written in a sacred book of souls, in a Honden structure closed to the public, reserved for enshrined Kami.

But nothing in Shinto Doctrine or Scripture encourages or justifies violence or war. Shinto texts are not Scriptures , because in Shinto, no writting is considered inerrant, and Scriptures can't be proven, which leads to arguments and distracts people from loving Kami.

Abrahamic Scriptures have countless calls to violence, genocide, nationalism, and sanction slavery. Meaning those are part of the essence, and intrinsic nature, of the Abrahamic God.

Those things have nothing to do with the essence and intrinsic nature of Shinto.

God and Kami bless you!

Its strange to find pseudo scholars of so called "scripture" who have never studied them.

Its like a walker calling himself an astrophysicist because he has looked at the stars.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Nothing in Shinto Scripture justifies violence

Many readers will be most familiar with three violence-related themes popularly associated with Shinto tradition. First, the Samurai tradition based on a code called Bushido (way of the warrior) is actually a blend of elements from three religious traditions: Confucian conservatism that tended to favor the aristocracy, Buddhist serene focus allowing one to submit to the inevitable, and Shinto patriotism and unquestioning loyalty. [URL="https://www.papertrell.com/apps/preview/The-Handy-Religion-Answer-Book/Handy%20Answer%20book/How-does-Shinto-tradition-relate-to-the-use-of-violence/001137024/content/SC/52cb016882fad14abfa5c2e0_default.html"]How does Shinto tradition relate to the use of violence? - The Handy Religion Answer Book[/URL]

 

[Hockeycowboy]

That means Yahweh sanctioned racism, genocide, slavery, and nationalism, Making those things intrinsic to the nature of Yahweh and his essence.

Well I guess my post (in your other deleted thread), which answered this question, got deleted along with the rest.

No, He didn’t sanction racism! But what Yahweh did show, is that He wouldn’t tolerate any rivalry against His Godship, His Sovereignty. If it were based on racism, He wouldn’t have let the Gibeonites live, but even after they lied, He still let them live. Joshua 9:15-26

Why?
Because they recognized His Godship. It’s as simple as that.
The nation of Egypt....Jehovah / Yahweh gave them 10 opportunities - the Plagues - to recognize His power. Did they? No... they refused. Their inability to fight against the 10 plagues gave them more than enough evidence....but they didn’t learn. Some Egyptians did, and left w/ the Israelites (Exodus 12:38), More evidence of no racism.

And the Canaanites....they knew what happened to Egypt (Joshua 2:10), but very few acted humbly, like Rahab & family, and the Gibeonites.

I would ask you to meditate deeply on the Bible...
At Matthew 22:37, God moved Jesus to tell us to “love Jehovah your God”; He wants us to love Him!
Now consider: why would God then record in His Word the Bible, those actions that we might think are bad?!

WHY DO THAT? Most people would hide their activities like that. Does Jehovah? No! He’s very honest & candid, revealing His activity which might inhibit the growth of our love for Him.

IOW, we can trust the Bible.


On reading and thinking deeply about His actions without influence from detractors, taking everything into consideration, we can reason on those accounts. Praying helps.

Good night.

 

[ajay0]

I think the issue is interpolations and misinterpretations. An extremely conditioned mind is bound to have selective perception and distorted interpretation of scriptural verses to support his prejudices, overlooking the verses that support peace and harmony and forgiveness.

I think the antidote perhaps lies in studying other systems, both religious or secular, which can help to broaden the mind and perspective.

 

[Spiderman]

Many readers will be most familiar with three violence-related themes popularly associated with Shinto tradition. First, the Samurai tradition based on a code called Bushido (way of the warrior) is actually a blend of elements from three religious traditions: Confucian conservatism that tended to favor the aristocracy, Buddhist serene focus allowing one to submit to the inevitable, and Shinto patriotism and unquestioning loyalty. [URL='https://www.papertrell.com/apps/preview/The-Handy-Religion-Answer-Book/Handy%20Answer%20book/How-does-Shinto-tradition-relate-to-the-use-of-violence/001137024/content/SC/52cb016882fad14abfa5c2e0_default.html']How does Shinto tradition relate to the use of violence? - The Handy Religion Answer Book[/URL]

Shinto doesn't call those texts inspired without error. Therefore, they aren't the intrinsic nature and essence of Shinto.

Abrahamic Scriptures are considered the word of God without error, inspired by God.

Big difference. It means Yahweh / Allah sanctioned racism, slavery , wars of aggression , genocide, bigotry, and nationalism.

 

[Spiderman]

Its strange to find pseudo scholars of so called "scripture" who have never studied them.

Its like a walker calling himself an astrophysicist because he has looked at the stars.

I have read those books front to back. You speak what I know is falsehood.

Way to destroy your credibility.

 

[firedragon]

I have read those books front to back. You speak what I know is falsehood.

Way to destroy your credibility.

Yeah. Look at the stars and claim "Im an astrophysicist". Keep going.

Credibility? Lol.

 

[Spiderman]

Yeah. Look at the stars and claim "Im an astrophysicist". Keep going.

Credibility? Lol.

Do you deny that there are calls to violence or brutal graphic tortures and mutilations in the Quran?

It's a yes or no question.

 

[firedragon]

Do you deny that there are calls to violence or brutal graphic tortures and mutilations in the Quran?

It's a yes or no question.

Lol. So you are a scholar of the Quran right? No worries. You wish to discuss your most favourite hatred spreading subject in a new thread?

This type of random yes or no questions and cut and pastes are good for kids who wish to pretend like scholars and spread some rumours. Open a new thread, make your case concisely and in a scholarly fashion and lets see if you are willing to engage in discussion, not spreading your hatred. What you say?

 

[Spiderman]

Lol. So you are a scholar of the Quran right? No worries. You wish to discuss your most favourite hatred spreading subject in a new thread?

This type of random yes or no questions and cut and pastes are good for kids who wish to pretend like scholars and spread some rumours. Open a new thread, make your case concisely and in a scholarly fashion and lets see if you are willing to engage in discussion, not spreading your hatred. What you say?

I see you couldn't answer a yes or no question. It essentially means you know you lost the debate.

I'm actually pointing out hatred and calls to violence, because I dislike hatred and calls to violence.

Anyone who doesn't like hatred and bigotry will call it out where they see it.

 

[firedragon]

I see you couldn't answer a yes or no question.

Of course not.

I'm actually pointing out hatred and calls to violence, because I dislike hatred and calls to violence.

Anyone who doesn't like hatred and bigotry will call it out where they see it.

Yep. I am calling out your hatred. Because I see it.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Shinto doesn't call those texts inspired without error. Therefore, they aren't the intrinsic nature and essence of Shinto..

You have a serious glitch of logoc going on here. The absense of a text doesn't mean that Shinto lacks a core of values and ethics.

 

[Spiderman]

Of course not.



Yep. I am calling out your hatred. Because I see it.

No, you are mistaken.

The Quran says comments about enemies of Muhammad getting hands and feet cut off, crucifixion, burned, boiling water poured on them, and great suffering in this life, and the next life. That is pure hatred and psychopathic cruelty.

The Quran also says "kill the Idolaters wherever you see them".

The Quran also repeatedly judges and condemns those who join associates with God, over, and over, and over again. That is religious bigotry.

I love Muslims and don't hate anyone. But people use the hate and bigotry in the Quran to start hate groups like Isis and Taliban.

Out of love for humanity, I must oppose hatred and bigotry. Have a good day.

 

[Spiderman]

You have a serious glitch of logoc going on here. The absense of a text doesn't mean that Shinto lacks a core of values and ethics.

In Shinto, you are supposed to ask and invoke wise Kami to guide one's conscience, then follow one's conscience above any text, and love and enshrine Kami.

 

[firedragon]

The Quran says comments about enemies of Muhammad getting hands and feet cut off, crucifixion, burned, boiling water poured on them, and great suffering in this life, and the next life. That is pure hatred and psychopathic cruelty.

Wrong. Thats your tool you insist upon to use to spread your anger, hatred, violent intentions towards Islam, falsehood spreading, and even possible violence and death. Thats why you pretend to be a scholar, and spread this kind of cut and paste artist style bogus hatred. Pure hatred and psychopathic cruelty.

The Quran also says "kill the Idolaters wherever you see them".

Nope. There is no verse that just says "kill the idolaters where ever you see them". It says more, and there are verses before and after. So you are maliciously spreading anger, hatred and psychopathic cruelty.

The Quran also repeatedly judges and condemns those who join associates with God, over, and over, and over again. That is religious bigotry.

No. Bigotry means passing judgement on a whole race, country, religion, etc. Like lets say "since Spiderman is here to spread his hatred to the whole world, all the people who come from his country are here only to spread their hatred and psychopathic cruelty". Thats a bigoted statement.

I love Muslims and don't hate anyone. But people use the hate and bigotry in the Quran to start hate groups like Isis and Taliban.

Yeah. Pretending you love some people and in the mean time spreading your hatred day in, day out, relentlessly is just a tactic. Associating with groups like ISIS and Taliban with out even any knowledge on that, is demonising people and a whole religion. That is psychopathic cruelty. Thats what you are doing. While of course pretending to have scholarship on the subject.

Thats you getting the same personal hatred you are spreading right back at you. Same words, same sentiments.

If you do have this scholarship you have, no worries, open a new thread to discuss it. It will be another opportunity for you to spread some more hatred. Go ahead. But I will respond. Lets analyse your cut and pastes and cherry picking. Please do go ahead.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

In Shinto, you are supposed to ask and invoke wise Kami to guide one's conscience, then follow one's conscience above any text, and love and enshrine Kami.

I stand by what I quoted.

 

[firedragon]

In Shinto, you are supposed to ask and invoke wise Kami to guide one's conscience, then follow one's conscience above any text, and love and enshrine Kami.

So seppuku, bushido, kamikaze are not Shinto traditions? Really?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Wrong.

kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. Surah 9:5

Keep in mind that people who are following your discussion are fact checking what you say.

 

[Spiderman]

So seppuku, bushido, kamikaze are not Shinto traditions? Really?

They are not considered inspired by Kami and any texts that encourage them, are not declared infallible.

Shinto adherents don't have to follow a text that is considered the inerrant word of the Kami, inspired and without error.

The Quran and Bible are considered by over a billion people to be considered without error, inspired by God. Big difference.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

They are not considered inspired by Kami and any texts that encourage them, are not declared infallible.

Shinto adherents don't have to follow a text that is considered the inerrant word of the Kami, inspired and without error.

The Quran and Bible are considered by over a billion people to be considered without error, inspired by God. Big difference.

Like I said to Firedragon, the people who follow your discussion do fact check. The sources do say that Busdhido etc are a result in part of Shinto.

Again, you do not have to have an infallbile text for a religion to teach certain ethics and values.