God is the one who's creating all the things that you see all around you.

[chinu]

I don't look for any god's help any more

I said at the END one looks for God's help to find the purpose of life. Either you found the purpose of your life, or the END is still very far.

Have you found the purpose of your life ? and tell me what it was

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What, the world external to the self doesn't exist? I can't show you that it does ─ I'd have to assume it does before I could start ─ but I can show you from your own words and deeds, including posting here, that you act exactly as if it does.
By that I mean that things that only exist as concepts or imaginings in individual brains without an objective counterpart don't satisfy the concept of 'real'.

The problem is that also applies to the bold one. The sentence doesn't itself satisfy the concept of "real".
There is nothing new in that. And you are not the only one, who do this.
I as a process in my mind declare only processes independent of the mind real and thus what I do, is unreal, but it doesn't matter (a process in the mind), because I decide what matters and not you.

That is your trick, but because it has already been described in philosophy and rejected as useful, if you want to avoid self-referencing absurdities, I just point out, that you are behind on your skepticism.

 

[blü 2]

The problem is that also applies to the bold one. The sentence doesn't itself satisfy the concept of "real".

It was real enough for you to read. That seems real enough to me.

I as a process in my mind declare only processes independent of the mind real

But your mentation is a set of real brain states. It's the contents of your concepts and imaginings that may not be real. "Justice" and "love" don't denote real things, rather they're abstractions from the numerous real instances that we judge to be "just" or "loving". On the other hand your concept "my toothbrush" (I dare say) has a real referent.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It was real enough for you to read. That seems real enough to me.
But your mentation is a set of real brain states. It's the contents of your concepts and imaginings that may not be real. "Justice" and "love" don't denote real things, rather they're abstractions from the numerous real instances that we judge to be "just" or "loving". On the other hand your concept "my toothbrush" (I dare say) has a real referent.

You are circular in effect. You assume your imaginary unreal rúle to be real and then you point out how all other cases of unreal is unreal based on your unreal rule. You are not doubting your rule, you treat it as dogmatic, beyond doubt.

(I dare say) is unreal, if you check it according to your own rule.

 

[PureX]

Not a real God, not a being with objective existence. If I'm wrong, point out which real being is God. As I may have said, a photo would help.

Since when does the human pretense of "objectivity" determine what does and doesn't exist? Essentially you've arbitrarily defined God out of the possibility of existing by defining it irrationally, and then decided that God doesn't exist. Like defining a circle as a "pointy shape" and then claiming that circles don't exist because there aren't any pointy ones. Well of course THOSE circles don't exist. You made sure of it by defining them irrationally.

It all seems pretty disingenuous to me.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Since when does the human pretense of "objectivity" determine what does and doesn't exist? Essentially you've arbitrarily defined God out of the possibility of existing by defining it irrationally, and then decided that God doesn't exist. Like defining a circle as a "pointy shape" and then claiming that circles don't exist because there aren't any pointy ones. Well of course THOSE circles don't exist. You made sure of it by defining them irrationally.

It all seems pretty disingenuous to me.

The problem is also that the definition used of real is only subjectively real.

 

[Stevicus]

Because we want to know the purpose of our life, and every time we fail to find it, and at the end we look for God's help. Isn't ?

We look for God's help. Isn't ?

I don't think this desire to know the purpose of life comes from anything truly natural, though. It's from religious conditioning which has been going on for centuries. It comes from an idea being pounded into children literally since birth. Among other things, it involves being inculcated with the idea that there is a purpose to life, usually propagated by those who don't know what it is either.

Some may look for God's help, but only because they've been trained and conditioned to do so all their lives, including the part of their life when they are most impressionable, such as during their formative years.

I (and I'm sure many others here) can attest to this myself. We've all heard about God and that He created all the things around us. Many of us have heard about the notion that there is some purpose to all of this.

But I would submit that, even assuming the existence of a "God" who may have created all the things that we see, even that does not imply any special "purpose," in and of itself. Our existence could have been an unintended accident or a failed experiment.

When you really look it, religious belief seems to be more about "us," as humans, rather than about "God," which is mainly a nebulous, vague, indefinable, indescribable concept overall. But religious stories tend to focus on human activities and how a supernatural being takes a special interest in our lives and what we do.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't think this desire to know the purpose of life comes from anything truly natural, though. It's from religious conditioning which has been going on for centuries. It comes from an idea being pounded into children literally since birth. Among other things, it involves being inculcated with the idea that there is a purpose to life, usually propagated by those who don't know what it is either.

Some may look for God's help, but only because they've been trained and conditioned to do so all their lives, including the part of their life when they are most impressionable, such as during their formative years.

I (and I'm sure many others here) can attest to this myself. We've all heard about God and that He created all the things around us. Many of us have heard about the notion that there is some purpose to all of this.

But I would submit that, even assuming the existence of a "God" who may have created all the things that we see, even that does not imply any special "purpose," in and of itself. Our existence could have been an unintended accident or a failed experiment.

When you really look it, religious belief seems to be more about "us," as humans, rather than about "God," which is mainly a nebulous, vague, indefinable, indescribable concept overall. But religious stories tend to focus on human activities and how a supernatural being takes a special interest in our lives and what we do.

Well, I get you. I just have learned that it works better for me to believe in a higher purpose. Not that my version is any typical God or that I can give any evidence for it. It is a form of self-indoctrination and conditioning that works in the following manner. Fake it until you make it.

 

[Wildswanderer]

God gave free will to ALL the people to find the purpose of life, and ALL people (including you) are/is ALWAYS busy in finding this in their own preferred ways. What made you think God isn't actively controlling everyone ?

That would contradict the first part of what you just said.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That would contradict the first part of what you just said.

Yeah, but everything as one factor as above always goes "buff", when some points out there are more factors than one.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I am glad you have been spared, the suffering of a dying child is horrible to watch.

For those who say god created everything i will cite childhood leukemia, the mosquito, the marmot and more. If a god exists and created everything then he is responsible for such suffering, and if claims of its power are to be believed is capable of cleaning up his mess.

Yes, God created everything, man is responsible for the curse and death brought on the Earth due to rebellion against God. God has by Himself redeemed us, offers eternal life with no more suffering. This is the Biblical message from Genesis - Revelation.

 

[ChristineM]

Yes, God created everything, man is responsible for the curse and death brought on the Earth due to rebellion against God. God has by Himself redeemed us, offers eternal life with no more suffering. This is the Biblical message from Genesis - Revelation.

Evidence please

 

[epronovost]

Ask God.

Thats what I a doing aren't I. According to your own beliefs, there is no difference between you and God so go ahead, answer it.

 

[chinu]

I don't think this desire to know the purpose of life comes from anything truly natural, though.

What for all human running here and there if life is purposeless ? If that purpose is something else, but NOT to find the real purpose of life -- then why don't a human stop his/her specific purpose is accomplished ? Why new purpose arise one after other every time ?

 

[chinu]

Thats what I a doing aren't I. According to your own beliefs, there is no difference between you and God so go ahead, answer it.

Am not god

 

[epronovost]

Am not god

Then how can you that everything that exists is from God if you are not God?

 

[chinu]

Then how can you that everything that exists is from God if you are not God?

There's God because I very well know that I am Not God. I very well know that I haven't created this all around me. This is enough for me.

Did you created ? tell me if you did.

 

[epronovost]

There's God because I very well know that I am Not God. I very well know that I haven't created this all around me. This is enough for me.

Did you created ? tell me if you did.

I talked about a paper plane earlier.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Come on..
How will you challenge this statement ?

Really can't challenge it because it is unfalsifiable and depends on the premise of a given agent who is equally unfalsifiable.

But it can certainly be dismissed, as the claim is made without evidence, and claim made without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence.

The study of the natural world has given much more understandable and cohesive assertions on why things exist and the claims from the study of the natural world is supported by evidence. So I'll go with what the scientist has to say.

 

[ratiocinator]

There's God because I very well know that I am Not God. I very well know that I haven't created this all around me. This is enough for me.

Wow, you're easily convinced. Do you want to buy this bridge I have for sale.....?