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Biden Administration Will Restart Remain In Mexico Policy

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
My point is that Biden got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
You do realize that only 35% of Americans approve of Biden’s handling of immigration.
What does that tell you?
Does that mean only 35% of Americans approve of Biden continueing Trump's immigration policy (as per your OP), or only 35% of Americans approve of Biden's failure to create a new one?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Does that mean only 35% of Americans approve of Biden continueing Trump's immigration policy (as per your OP), or only 35% of Americans approve of Biden's failure to create a new one?
what ever fits you fancy
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
1. - The Biden admin, just like all US admins really do stop the majority from entering. Like science, it is true whether you believe it or not.
Rising Border Encounters in 2021: An Overview and Analysis

Are you claiming that the majority of illegal immigrants are not released into the the U.S.?
The American Immigration Council is a Washington, D.C.-based 501 nonprofit organization and advocacy group. It advocates for immigrants to the United States and opposes US President Donald Trump's immigration policy.
Perhaps reconsider your source of information.
For example, in the recent Haitian illegal immigrant camp at Del Rio, Texas, more than 10,000 illegal immigrants were released into the U.S. A few hundred Haitians were deported.

2. - Thanks. :)
You Welcome? :)

3. - No. The criminal cartels are not justified in any way. Human. Exploitation. Is. Bad.
And they are in no way necessary.
Really? Wow! I was just pointing out that when you have a mass of unprotected, poor, starving people without rights or anyone to defend them, you invariably get scum like the cartels who will move in to prey upon the down-trodden. Immigrations of refugees happen. Exploitation of refugees happens. It does not make it “good”, or “acceptable”.

Okay, I think we agree? that the current situation which empowered criminal cartels is unacceptable.

There are MANY more people seeking asylum than will ever be handled by the current lottery systems and ponderous, woefully slow legal channels can handle.

:confused: So... we agree that overwhelming the system with frivolous claims is bad?

:confused: Whaaaat? How, exactly, does bringing people out of Mexico and into the US, allow the Mexican cartels to exploit these people more? Please give examples.

People are being exploited currently because the Cartels are empowered as the means of entry into the U.S. So basically almost every illegal immigrant is an example in the current situation.

Interesting.:cool: I had not known that aspect. However, it appears that the US is in fact working on getting the originally Haitian people back to where they had been recently, assuming that they had resident status in those other nations.
The Texas camp at the border is empty. What happens to Haitian migrants now?
Officials said the U.S. State Department is in talks with Brazil and Chile to allow some Haitians who previously resided there to return, but it's complicated because some of them no longer have legal status there.

The Mexico office of the U.N.'s International Organization for Migration released a statement late Friday saying it is looking for countries where some Haitians have residency or where their children have citizenship as an alternative to allowing them to be deported to Haiti.

"Should migrants be willing to return and should concerned states be in agreement, IOM is ready to offer its expertise through its Assisted Voluntary Return (AVR) Program to help these migrants return in a safe and informed manner," the statement said
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Good to know. And also the vast majority of those Haitians (that were not deported to Haiti) were released into the U.S.

No. Those questions are for you to answer.

Oh? Hmm.

What can we do to cut down the number of refugees and the terrors that they run from?

What does this have to do with immigration, legal or illegal? Immigration doesn't stop refugees or terrors, does it? Such things persist and if anything are encouraged by the removal of dissidents.

Do we, as a nation, give them succor, as they drag themselves and their children hundreds or even thousands of miles to our border? Or build a wall then plug our ears and turn our backs on them?

To encourage people to drag themselves and their children hundreds or even thousands of miles is inhumane. Biden should be impeached.
A wall is not the same thing as plugging your ears and turning your back. You may have noticed there are these criminal Cartels in Mexico. There has even been recent machine gun fire from within Mexico crossing the U.S. border. A wall is more a sign of vigilance than of neglect.

Can we make use of new (usually younger) people who will work amazingly hard, and who are (more than our children) willing to show patriotism and their dependability by doing lower-paying jobs and by joining our military to fight for the USA?

Import people for the express purpose of exploitation? No thank you.

I think you need to answer those questions, especially if you think that they make a significant point.

These things do not make illegal immigration “good”, as has been pointed out above. It happens, the only questions are what we do about it. Keeping in mind that walls don’t work. Most of the illegal immigrants in the US came through border crossing sites or into sea-ports. :shrug: Get used to reality.

Do you understand the purpose of a wall? A wall makes the job of surveilling or guarding a border orders of magnitude easier. It can transform an impossible task into a possible one. Did you know that locks on doors "don't work"? Any serious person can get past a locking mechanism on a door. Why do you think most illegal immigrants come through border crossing sites or into sea ports?

A. The rich in our country do indeed exploit them. How shall we stop that?

:confused: Are you trying to argue that importing more exploitable people is going to stop the rich from exploiting them?

B. While I never said that, I’m sure that there are many who would agree.

What are you referring to?

C. Yes. And in the next few decades, as global warming affects crops, diseases, and water supplies, these numbers will likely climb dramatically. What should we do then?

Is this about immigration?

D. The US is clearly safer. :shrug: Clearly your statements about cartels, abuse, murders, etc…indicate that you agree; as would most sane people.

Is the U.S. more or less safe as a result of increased illegal immigration? Are Cartels more or less powerful as a result of increased illegal immigration?
Has there been more or less abuse, sexual assault, murder, drugs, etc, as a result of increased illegal immigration?

Your final paragraph contains a train of thought that jumped several tracks while derailing; ending in a complete non-sequitur sentence. :eek::confused: Please rephrase.

Perhaps we agree that illegal immigration is not justified.
If you hold the view that illegal immigration is justified, then why is it justified?

So far it seems as if, you are saying that illegal immigration is justified because:
  1. The majority are still denied entry (which is false). (the majority of illegal immigrants are released into the U.S.)
  2. People who are not in the U.S. are at the mercy of Criminal Cartels (and yet more people are at the mercy of criminal Cartels when there is increased illegal immigration).
  3. The asylum system is too slow (and yet it is made even slower when the number of illegal immigrants increases).
  4. Walls don't work...? (just an ill-informed opinion as to how walls work as far as I can tell)
  5. The U.S. is safer than Mexico (which is true). (but the U.S. is also less safe as a result of illegal immigration).
  6. Denying illegal immigrants is equivalent to forcing people to drag themselves and their children hundreds or even thousands of miles while turning your back and plugging your ears. (when increased illegal immigration causes more of this).
  7. U.S. children don't work hard enough nor are they patriotic enough.
    But illegal immigrants can serve the U.S. better because they are more willing to be cheap disposable labor and fight wars for the U.S. (we'll just ignore the part about them being easily deported if they displease whoever happens to be in power - it's actually "patriotism")
Did I miss anything?
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Are you claiming that the majority of illegal immigrants are not released into the the U.S.?
The American Immigration Council is a Washington, D.C.-based 501 nonprofit organization and advocacy group. It advocates for immigrants to the United States and opposes US President Donald Trump's immigration policy.
Perhaps reconsider your source of information.
For example, in the recent Haitian illegal immigrant camp at Del Rio, Texas, more than 10,000 illegal immigrants were released into the U.S. A few hundred Haitians were deported.


You Welcome? :)



Okay, I think we agree? that the current situation which empowered criminal cartels is unacceptable.



:confused: So... we agree that overwhelming the system with frivolous claims is bad?



People are being exploited currently because the Cartels are empowered as the means of entry into the U.S. So basically almost every illegal immigrant is an example in the current situation.



Good to know. And also the vast majority of those Haitians (that were not deported to Haiti) were released into the U.S.



Oh? Hmm.



What does this have to do with immigration, legal or illegal? Immigration doesn't stop refugees or terrors, does it? Such things persist and if anything are encouraged by the removal of dissidents.



To encourage people to drag themselves and their children hundreds or even thousands of miles is inhumane. Biden should be impeached.
A wall is not the same thing as plugging your ears and turning your back. You may have noticed there are these criminal Cartels in Mexico. There has even been recent machine gun fire from within Mexico crossing the U.S. border. A wall is more a sign of vigilance than of neglect.



Import people for the express purpose of exploitation? No thank you.

I think you need to answer those questions, especially if you think that they make a significant point.



Do you understand the purpose of a wall? A wall makes the job of surveilling or guarding a border orders of magnitude easier. It can transform an impossible task into a possible one. Did you know that locks on doors "don't work"? Any serious person can get past a locking mechanism on a door. Why do you think most illegal immigrants come through border crossing sites or into sea ports?



:confused: Are you trying to argue that importing more exploitable people is going to stop the rich from exploiting them?



What are you referring to?



Is this about immigration?



Is the U.S. more or less safe as a result of increased illegal immigration? Are Cartels more or less powerful as a result of increased illegal immigration?
Has there been more or less abuse, sexual assault, murder, drugs, etc, as a result of increased illegal immigration?



Perhaps we agree that illegal immigration is not justified.
If you hold the view that illegal immigration is justified, then why is it justified?

So far it seems as if, you are saying that illegal immigration is justified because:
  1. The majority are still denied entry (which is false). (the majority of illegal immigrants are released into the U.S.)
  2. People who are not in the U.S. are at the mercy of Criminal Cartels (and yet more people are at the mercy of criminal Cartels when there is increased illegal immigration).
  3. The asylum system is too slow (and yet it is made even slower when the number of illegal immigrants increases).
  4. Walls don't work...? (just an ill-informed opinion as to how walls work as far as I can tell)
  5. The U.S. is safer than Mexico (which is true). (but the U.S. is also less safe as a result of illegal immigration).
  6. Denying illegal immigrants is equivalent to forcing people to drag themselves and their children hundreds or even thousands of miles while turning your back and plugging your ears. (when increased illegal immigration causes more of this).
  7. U.S. children don't work hard enough nor are they patriotic enough.
    But illegal immigrants can serve the U.S. better because they are more willing to be cheap disposable labor and fight wars for the U.S. (we'll just ignore the part about them being easily deported if they displease whoever happens to be in power - it's actually "patriotism")
Did I miss anything?
A few things are clear, and we must agree on the reality….the facts…prior to proceeding….
1. You are willfully distorting just about everything on this issue.
2. You are wrong about the majority of attempted illegal immigrants being turned back by border patrol and the US government. I cited a source. You claimed it was wrong, yet countered with nothing, therefore your claim is appropriately ignored as false. Give a source, or admit that you were wrong.
3. You must recognize that desperate people will do desperate things to get to where they believe there is freedom and safety. This will happen no matter what anyone does with the border (especially since most illegal immigrants are simply overstaying their visas, and have nothing to do with crossing walls, rivers, or deserts).
4. Not that it matters, but I am against illegal immigration. But I recognize the complicated realities of it, or at least I try to.

But I digress. Get some facts. Link your sources.
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member
You are wrong about the majority of attempted illegal immigrants being turned back by border patrol and the US government. I cited a source. You claimed it was wrong, yet countered with nothing, therefore your claim is appropriately ignored as false. Give a source, or admit that you were wrong.

Mayorkas says as many as 12K out of 17K migrants have been released into US, and ‘it could be higher’
Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas admitted Sunday that the vast majority of Haitian migrants who crossed the southern U.S. border in recent weeks have already been released into the United States, and it is possible that more will follow them.
This one example concerns the Del Rio, Texas border crossing incident as I said, but the policy is the same for all border crossings.

Not that it matters, but I am against illegal immigration. But I recognize the complicated realities of it, or at least I try to.

It appears we agree. We are both against illegal immigration. I respect your opinion, because it does seem as if you are trying to understand "complicated realities".
 
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