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European Christian Heritage

Brinne

Active Member
Where do you get the idea that I don't want this to be discussed? I am discussing this issue, right now, in this very thread.

Well for one you told someone to stop crying and to go and donate just on the basis of making a thread
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Your disregard for your heritage, the people who built your nation, if you will excuse me, I find disgusting,

Oh Rival! If there were one person on RF, I could vote Il Duce (Italian Title for Leader), Caesar, Holy Roman Empress of the European Union, (United States of Europe, Anti-communist, anti-secular, anti-bolshivek Block, Holy Roman Empire) that Empress/Caesar would be you, hands down! :) You are not politically correct at all, and liberal policies and morality that are bad for society , you reject them all it appears. :heart:

European culture and Religion is being destroyed, and Europe is dying and decaying. :( European culture/traditions at this rate, will be destroyed. Someone like you is needed to save the continent! ;)
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
This is silly logic no? Because following this line of thought we shouldn’t discuss any type of issue unless we ourselves single handedly dedicate every resource and hour of our lives to fixing it.

So you want me to carry your burden. Fair enough, do it within the system of how we do it or get a gun and see if you can win.

We, the people, have limited resources and we decide how to use them through democracy. Accept that, work within the system or overthrow it.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Is being ruined.

One religious building is disappearing in France every two weeks.

That is the conclusion of Edouard de Lamaze, president of the Observatoire du patrimoine religieux (Observatory of Religious Heritage) in Paris.


[...]

Lamaze told CNA in an interview that in addition to one religious building disappearing every two weeks -- by demolition, transformation, destruction by fire, or collapse -- two-thirds of fires in religious buildings are due to arson.

[...]

“Although Catholic monuments are still ahead, one mosque is erected every 15 days in France, while one Christian building is destroyed at the same pace,” Lamaze said. “It creates a tipping point on the territory that should be taken into account.”


[...]

According to the most recent figures from France’s central criminal intelligence unit, 877 attacks on Catholic places of worship were recorded across the country in 2018 alone.

“These figures have increased fivefold in only 10 years,” Lamaze said, noting that 129 churches were vandalized in 2008.


Why France is losing one religious building every two weeks

More than 10 churches a year are closing in Wales, figures have shown.

Data from the Church in Wales showed 115 Anglican churches have closed over a 10-year period, about 8% of the total, with 1,319 still in use.


110 Anglican churches closed in Wales in 10 years

C of E bishop warns of church closures due to Covid financial losses

Please stand up for your heritage, Europe! What is wrong with you?

If someone were burning all the synagogues and mosques it'd be an outcry, but churches? That's fine. The state and the people will do nothing.

I'm not a Christian and this upsets me. Get your act together, Europe.
Capitalism at its most brutal - supply and demand.

I'm happy to report that my local church is now housing, much more useful than a poorly attended church.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
Oh Rival! If there were one person on RF, I could vote Il Duce (Italian Title for Leader), Caesar, Holy Roman Empress of the European Union, (United States of Europe, Anti-communist, anti-secular, anti-bolshivek Block, Holy Roman Empire) that Empress/Caesar would be you, hands down! :) You are not politically correct at all, and liberal policies and morality that are bad for society , you reject them all it appears. :heart:

European culture and Religion is being destroyed, and Europe is dying and decaying. :( European culture/traditions at this rate, will be destroyed. Someone like you is needed to save the continent! ;)
Well I voted for Brexit so I would not be in the EU, but your sentiment is appreciated :) :greenheart:
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Well for one you told someone to stop crying and to go and donate just on the basis of making a thread
I was pointing them to an easy way to get involved in the solution they clearly want. Can you explain what exactly you found so unethical that you are attacking me outright without even bothering to pass a token glance at the issue under discussion?
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
So the buildings belong to the space aliens?

Who?

They our heritage. We inherited them from our Christian ancestors.

No, in France they belong to the Catholic Church and that is their problem. In Denmark they belong to the state and you can voluntarily pay state church taxes. I do so, even if I am an atheist.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Well I voted for Brexit so I would not be in the EU, but your sentiment is appreciated :) :greenheart:

Brexit is common sense.

The Eu is killing itself. The enemy is found in Brussels. I'm saying if you ran the EU, we would have a better Europe. BY FAR! :)

You aren't politically correct! :blueheart:
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
I can see it was a mistake expecting the European denizens of RF to care :(
 

Brinne

Active Member
So you want me to carry your burden. Fair enough, do it within the system of how we do it or get a gun and see if you can win.

We, the people, have limited resources and we decide how to use them through democracy. Accept that, work within the system or overthrow it.

And it’s within peoples right to critique how those resources are utilized, no?

Carrying each other’s burdens is kind of how society functions. We assist each other to make the burden lighter.

Of course unless you live completely off the grid
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
And it’s within peoples right to critique how those resources are utilized, no?

Carrying each other’s burdens is kind of how society functions. We assist each other to make the burden lighter.

Of course unless you live completely off the grid
So what solution do you propose?
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
And it’s within peoples right to critique how those resources are utilized, no?

Carrying each other’s burdens is kind of how society functions. We assist each other to make the burden lighter.

Of course unless you live completely off the grid

Well, we can't meet all the demands. So we choose only to do some. If your problem is that you don't like that, replace democracy with something else.
 

Brinne

Active Member
I was pointing them to an easy way to get involved in the solution they clearly want. Can you explain what exactly you found so unethical that you are attacking me outright without even bothering to pass a token glance at the issue under discussion?

I don’t know if I’d call critiquing your approach to the conversation as “attacking you” - wasn’t really a malicious comment.

I just found the approach of trying to throw the argument for heritage conversation under the bus with a “just donate lol” approach was kind of a bad takes.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
I can see it was a mistake expecting the European denizens of RF to care :(
Yea, it has to be that; it is definitely inconceivable that the problem simply may not be as dramatic and world-shattering as your cursory glance at a single Grauniad article made it out to be.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
Yeah, I don't care like you do. That must be hard for you. ;)
Yes, it is. I find it upsetting. I don't know what kind of person doesn't try to have at least some respect for magnificent buildings that were constructed before modern technology thousands of years ago, left to us to remind us of our past and our ancestry, where we came from and who we are.

Yes, it's upsetting that you don't care about that.
 
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Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
I don’t know if I’d call critiquing your approach to the conversation as “attacking you” - wasn’t really a malicious comment.

I just found the approach of trying to throw the argument for heritage conversation under the bus with a “just donate lol” approach was kind of a bad takes.
Why was it a bad take? The OP was decrying apathy towards the problem, and personal initiative is not only the first step but a crucial step to solving apathy at the personal level.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I don’t know if I’d call critiquing your approach to the conversation as “attacking you” - wasn’t really a malicious comment.

I just found the approach of trying to throw the argument for heritage conversation under the bus with a “just donate lol” approach was kind of a bad takes.

Well, what is politics if it is bad take or not. That is how we do it in Denmark. We voluntarily pay state church taxes. If you don't like that, get a vote and try to change it. That is how the system works.
 

Brinne

Active Member
So what solution do you propose?

Well for one I’d probably recommend so physical protections for churches under threat. In my city we utilized protective coverings for stained glass for example.

From a policy stand point I think the issue tends to be lack of incentive for the preservation of existing build stock. Though I think funding to preserve structures of cultural importance (whether Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, secular whatever) is generally a good thing. Since I’m generally opposed to the Corbusierfication of urban spaces.

I’m not sure how to address issues of arson because my background is in preservation of the build environment not criminal justice. I guess investigate for why there’s such a rise in these arson cases?
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Yes, it is. I find it upsetting. I don't know what kind of person doesn't try to have at least some respect for magnificent buildings that were constructed before modern technology, thousands of years ago and left to us to remind us of our past and our ancestry, where we came from and who we are.

Yes, it's upsetting that you don't care about that.

I do care. I voluntarily pay my state church taxes. I just don't like that you tell me, what I must do to please you, because you are the judge of it.
 
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