Question about John 5:25 and John 5:28-29.Dead people hear Jesus's voice while still dead?

[Soapy]

I'm going to change that to say that in your opinion, "it is only partially true." That's because right now, all we mortals have is a bunch of opinions. We interpret the Bible to the best of our abilities, and conclude that we're right and that everybody else is wrong.

Actually, the word "person" is used 139 times in the Bible. But I would agree that a "living soul" is a person, and I never stated otherwise.

Actually, I believe that Adam's spirit (aka "the breath of life") was created prior to his body, as I believe that God created our spirits out of highly refined matter that was co-eternal with with. To me, there really is no such thing as a "lifeless soul." There is an eternal spirit, a lifeless physical body, and the entity which exists once the eternal spirit enters into the physical body -- that entity being known as a "living soul."

I can agree with most of this. At death, the body is lifeless but the spirit continues to live on.

I disagree with this to the extent that God never created a spirit only to turn around and destroy it. Whether He can or not is a moot point to me.

Well, this is where we disagree and where my interpretation of scripture is different from yours. Different. Not necessarily wrong. Yes, one of us is wrong. Personally, I think we ought to wait until we stand before God to be judged before we come to any conclusions.

Look, I don't believe in the Trinity, but I don't agree with Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine either. The only one I actually listen to is God, and everything I know about Him and His Plan, I learned from Him.

Just a point of order… I am not JW!

And your view of a soul is confusing.

I don’t think you understand what you are saying.

You have a kind of understanding and on those pony’s we agree - but other than that your reasoning is all over the place.

A person … a soul… is body and spirit… nothing more!!

The body is just a machine…. By itself it can do nothing. It is when a spirit is put into it that that spirit ACTIVATES and ENLIVENS that body.

I don’t know what you know but think of a computer… Without a computer programme to activate it the computer is nothing but machinery!

A DEAD body is how we as humans describe a body without a spirit…. You should agree with this!

The Spirit that was in it is made to rest with GOD who created it. It is inert, resting, non-active … because it is not in a body to activate.

Agsin, of us like a computer programme stored on a disk … it can do nothing until it is put into a machine which it then activates.

A lifeless soul… You are again thinking wrongly…

Yoh seem to imagine a SOUL as Separate entity… hence your confusion.

SOUL is just another word for PERSON….

• Lifeless Soul
• Lifeless Person

These are exactly the same things. It’s just which one of the two words you choose to use. Biblically, church-wise, scripturally, the word selected is “Soul”. But laymen use “Person”!!!

The ‘lifeless’ is not pertaining to the ENTITY, per se… it is pertaining to the STATE of the entity:

• The SOUL is without life … is INACTIVE

No one but God can destroy a soul because the spirit of the soul can only be destroyed by God. Someone might destroy the body of a soul … but not the spirit of the soul (substitute ‘person’ for ‘soul’ and it reads the same!!)

 

[Soapy]

You know, basically it sounds like all you're really saying here is that your mindset is right and so you have a correct understanding of things, but people who disagree with you have a mindset that is not right, resulting in an inaccurate understanding of things. Did I get that right? Or is my mindset messed up?

If someone is wrong then they are wrong.

You are trying to walk a tightrope where you are unsure what to believe is right or what is wrong… live and let live is your mantra!!

Truth doesn’t work that way! You have to commit!!!!

Jesus says that you are either for me or against me… you are either hot or cold … if you are lukewarm then you are like tepid water and he spits you out….

What do you think!! I am HOT for Christ Jesus …!

Scriptures SAYS all that I am showing you… why should I only believe scriptures is ‘just my opinion’?

This aspect of ‘Soul’ is not new to debate … it is trinitarians (who you say you don’t believe) who cause these confusions because they have an agenda to keep… You may not know it but you may even be affected without knowing so… otherwise you would agree with the simplicity of what I’m saying:

• Soul is nothing more than another word for Person

Simple as!!!

 

[Katzpur]

Just a point of order… I am not JW!

Okay! Don't freak about about it. You sound a lot like one.

And your view of a soul is confusing.

I don’t think you understand what you are saying.

My understanding of a soul is not the slightest bit confusing to me, and I totally understand what it is I'm saying, even if you don't.

You have a kind of understanding and on those pony’s we agree - but other than that your reasoning is all over the place.

A person … a soul… is body and spirit… nothing more!!

I'm sorry, but what did you think I said it was? We're in agreement on that, so there's no need for you to tell me I'm confused.

A DEAD body is how we as humans describe a body without a spirit…. You should agree with this!

And I do!

A lifeless soul… You are again thinking wrongly…

No, you are, because you are attributing beliefs to me that I don't have.

Yoh seem to imagine a SOUL as Separate entity… hence your confusion.

No, I don't. I see a soul as the entity which exists when a body is made alive by a spirit.[/quote]

 

[Katzpur]

If someone is wrong then they are wrong.

And sometimes they are wrong even when they are convinced that they are right.

You are trying to walk a tightrope where you are unsure what to believe is right or what is wrong…

Oh, I'm totally sure what I believe. You can trust me on that. I'm just willing to admit that there is a possibility that I may not have all the facts, whereas you seem to think there is no conceivable possibility that you could be wrong.

live and let live is your mantra!!

It's a pretty good one, as far as I'm concerned. I don't believe in shoving my beliefs down other people's throats. I have very strong beliefs and am willing to respect the fact that other people do too.

Truth doesn’t work that way! You have to commit!!!!

Jesus says that you are either for me or against me… you are either hot or cold … if you are lukewarm then you are like tepid water and he spits you out….

What do you think!! I am HOT for Christ Jesus …!

I'm 100% committed. I am 100% a disciple of Jesus Christ, and I have 100% faith in Him as my Savior.

Scriptures SAYS all that I am showing you… why should I only believe scriptures is ‘just my opinion’?

This aspect of ‘Soul’ is not new to debate … it is trinitarians (who you say you don’t believe) who cause these confusions because they have an agenda to keep… You may not know it but you may even be affected without knowing so… otherwise you would agree with the simplicity of what I’m saying:

• Soul is nothing more than another word for Person

Simple as!!!

First off, I don't believe in dead souls. I only believe in living souls. Secondly, you just don't seem to get the fact that it's not really your place to tell me that I'm wrong about what I believe. I believe the scriptures just as much as you do. I just interpret them differently in some places and it doesn't frustrate the hell out of me when other people see things differently than I do. God will certainly be able to clear up our misunderstandings when we stand before Him to be judged, but even He won't be able to do a thing about how we treated other people when we were here on earth. That's going to be all on us.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

GOD CAN DESTROY SOMETHING IMMORTAL…

You seem not to understand that IMMORTAL applies to CREATED THINGS.

AND THAT IT IS GOD who created. What GOD creates God can also destroy.

It’s not hard to understand unless your mindset is not right.

God is the creator of the immortal spirit… God can destroy the immortal spirit he creates.

An immortal entity cannot be destroyed by anything OTHER THAN by its creator!!

It would be a DISASTER if an entity could be created that could NOT BE DESTROYED by the creators!!

Think about it…..

I really like to see things explained in the Bible. Do you have any verses that say a spirit is immortal or that God can destroy them? Or is this just you opinion?

 

[Soapy]

And sometimes they are wrong even when they are convinced that they are right.

Oh, I'm totally sure what I believe. You can trust me on that. I'm just willing to admit that there is a possibility that I may not have all the facts, whereas you seem to think there is no conceivable possibility that you could be wrong.

It's a pretty good one, as far as I'm concerned. I don't believe in shoving my beliefs down other people's throats. I have very strong beliefs and am willing to respect the fact that other people do too.

I'm 100% committed. I am 100% a disciple of Jesus Christ, and I have 100% faith in Him as my Savior.

First off, I don't believe in dead souls. I only believe in living souls. Secondly, you just don't seem to get the fact that it's not really your place to tell me that I'm wrong about what I believe. I believe the scriptures just as much as you do. I just interpret them differently in some places and it doesn't frustrate the hell out of me when other people see things differently than I do. God will certainly be able to clear up our misunderstandings when we stand before Him to be judged, but even He won't be able to do a thing about how we treated other people when we were here on earth. That's going to be all on us.

Me:
You seem to imagine a SOUL as Separate entity… hence your confusion.

You:
No, I don't. I see a soul as the entity which exists when a body is made alive by a spirit.

There you go again…. ‘Dead soul’…

What can I say to you about your confusion??

Why say ‘a LIVING Soul’ if a Soul only exists IF IT IS LIVING????

So you would believe that:

• The soul resting in the bosom of God is not a soul?

You would say that when a soul dies (according to the human concept of death) then that soul no longer exists?

That is not what scriptures says. In God’s eyes (!!!) the soul is only RESTING IN SLEEP. The body is mere dust of the earth… it is nothing to him! As God desires, he could make souls out of stones (do you know the scripture verse that says so… you should if you are debating the point?)

I show you that a SOUL is just another way to say a PERSON!!!

Yet you don’t want to understand. And that’s why you are confused.

That's why you cannot understand, ‘dead person’… ‘dead soul’!…. SAME THING!!!

And you do understand - don’t you - that ‘DEAD’ is a human concept????

Jesus showed us that TRUE DEATH is DESTRUCTION OF THE ENTITY.

An entity at REST is only ‘sleeping as if dead’. It can take no active part in the active world….

Can you at least understand that?

Churches of the past and some still of the present talk about GHOSTS!! But there is no such thing as a GHOST (as defined as a DISEMBODIED SPIRIT ROAMING THE LIVING WORLD).

They even use the completely and utterly disposable term, ‘Holy Ghost’!! This is very wrong! GOD’s Spirit is not a disembodied spirit….

How is this linked to your thoughts? Because you believe that the SOUL is different from the person… a disembodied SOUL!

No!!! Soul just means PERSON.

Soul is BODY and SPIRIT ….

When God created Adam, the BODY of Adam was first made… but was LIFELESS……. It was LACKING AN ACTIVE FORCE, it was ‘sleeping as if dead’… it was UNINSPIRITED… unenlivened!!!

And then God blew the breath of life (The spirit) into his nostrils (using the words from scriptures).

• ‘And the man……. Became… a LIVING … SOUL’

Why say that THE MAN when only the body existed without a spirit to enliven the body?

It is easy to replace the word, ‘man’, with ‘Person’ and vice versa:

• God created the body of the PERSON (Adam) which as such was not yet a LIVING SOUL. Then God put an enlivening spirit into the dead soul and the dead soul became a living soul…

You just need to stop thinking incorrectly as you are in danger of thinking as a spiritualist and all the ungodly aspects that come with that mindset!

The concept and truth is very simple. Why people strain at a gnat of simplicity yet accept the gagging on the outlandish is beyond my mind!

It’s like taking a pill: Just swallow it… don’t THINK about how bitter it tastes - it’s not meant to be tasted in the mouth… just swallow it. Yet many people gag on and spit out the very thing that was designed to help them get better. So also, the concept of Soul and Person… it is simple. They are the same thing… no need for analysis or alternate thinking only to find argument and discord in debate over it!

 

[Soapy]

I really like to see things explained in the Bible. Do you have any verses that say a spirit is immortal or that God can destroy them? Or is this just you opinion?

If you need someone to show you those things then how are you debating?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

If you need someone to show you those things then how are you debating?

I am debating because I believe that something that is immortal cannot be killed or destroyed. If the Bible says something immortal can be destroyed, I would like to see those verses because I have not found them. If you really want to debate you will show me where the Bible supports your views.

 

[Soapy]

I am debating because I believe that something that is immortal cannot be killed or destroyed. If the Bible says something immortal can be destroyed, I would like to see those verses because I have not found them. If you really want to debate you will show me where the Bible supports your views.

Q: What does the word, ‘Mortal’, pertain to?
A: Something able to DIE…..

Q: What does the word, ‘Immortal’, pertain to?
A: Something NOT able to DIE….

Dying and being destroyed are not the same things.

Dictionary:
“living forever; never dying or decaying.

• "our mortal body is inhabited by an immortal spirit”

Strong’s Concordance (110):

• Athanasia: immortality, imperishability, freedom from death

Freedom from death does not mean ‘not subject to destruction’!

A person, more specifically, the Spirit of a person, is NOT SUBJECT TO DEATH….. it cannot DIE —— but it can be DESTROYED (but only by the power of its maker: Almighty God)

I’m intrigued as to what you think of a concept that is as simple as 2+2 = 4 that you struggle to understand?

Are you perhaps still confused as to the difference between Death of thd Soul and Destruction of the Soul?

 

[Katzpur]

There you go again…. ‘Dead soul’…

What can I say to you about your confusion??

Why say ‘a LIVING Soul’ if a Soul only exists IF IT IS LIVING????

So you would believe that:

• The soul resting in the bosom of God is not a soul?

You would say that when a soul dies (according to the human concept of death) then that soul no longer exists?

That is not what scriptures says. In God’s eyes (!!!) the soul is only RESTING IN SLEEP. The body is mere dust of the earth… it is nothing to him! As God desires, he could make souls out of stones (do you know the scripture verse that says so… you should if you are debating the point?)

I show you that a SOUL is just another way to say a PERSON!!!

Yet you don’t want to understand. And that’s why you are confused.

That's why you cannot understand, ‘dead person’… ‘dead soul’!…. SAME THING!!!

And you do understand - don’t you - that ‘DEAD’ is a human concept????

Jesus showed us that TRUE DEATH is DESTRUCTION OF THE ENTITY.

An entity at REST is only ‘sleeping as if dead’. It can take no active part in the active world….

Can you at least understand that?

Churches of the past and some still of the present talk about GHOSTS!! But there is no such thing as a GHOST (as defined as a DISEMBODIED SPIRIT ROAMING THE LIVING WORLD).

They even use the completely and utterly disposable term, ‘Holy Ghost’!! This is very wrong! GOD’s Spirit is not a disembodied spirit….

How is this linked to your thoughts? Because you believe that the SOUL is different from the person… a disembodied SOUL!

No!!! Soul just means PERSON.

Soul is BODY and SPIRIT ….

When God created Adam, the BODY of Adam was first made… but was LIFELESS……. It was LACKING AN ACTIVE FORCE, it was ‘sleeping as if dead’… it was UNINSPIRITED… unenlivened!!!

And then God blew the breath of life (The spirit) into his nostrils (using the words from scriptures).

• ‘And the man……. Became… a LIVING … SOUL’

Why say that THE MAN when only the body existed without a spirit to enliven the body?

It is easy to replace the word, ‘man’, with ‘Person’ and vice versa:

• God created the body of the PERSON (Adam) which as such was not yet a LIVING SOUL. Then God put an enlivening spirit into the dead soul and the dead soul became a living soul…

You just need to stop thinking incorrectly as you are in danger of thinking as a spiritualist and all the ungodly aspects that come with that mindset!

The concept and truth is very simple. Why people strain at a gnat of simplicity yet accept the gagging on the outlandish is beyond my mind!

It’s like taking a pill: Just swallow it… don’t THINK about how bitter it tastes - it’s not meant to be tasted in the mouth… just swallow it. Yet many people gag on and spit out the very thing that was designed to help them get better. So also, the concept of Soul and Person… it is simple. They are the same thing… no need for analysis or alternate thinking only to find argument and discord in debate over it!

Look, @Soapy, you have continued time and time again to misrepresent what I have said and what I believe. I'm tired of it, and you, my friend, need to stop hyperventilating just because someone disagrees with you. This kind of frustrated ranting is going to lead to a stroke. Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I'll just leave you to harass somebody else.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Q: What does the word, ‘Mortal’, pertain to?
A: Something able to DIE…..

Q: What does the word, ‘Immortal’, pertain to?
A: Something NOT able to DIE….

Dying and being destroyed are not the same things.

Dictionary:
“living forever; never dying or decaying.

• "our mortal body is inhabited by an immortal spirit”

Strong’s Concordance (110):

• Athanasia: immortality, imperishability, freedom from death

Freedom from death does not mean ‘not subject to destruction’!

A person, more specifically, the Spirit of a person, is NOT SUBJECT TO DEATH….. it cannot DIE —— but it can be DESTROYED (but only by the power of its maker: Almighty God)

I’m intrigued as to what you think of a concept that is as simple as 2+2 = 4 that you struggle to understand?

Are you perhaps still confused as to the difference between Death of thd Soul and Destruction of the Soul?

I still see no Bible verses so I must assume these ideas do not come from the Bible. Many people believe that a person has an immortal soul but nothing in the Bible says this. You believe there is an immortal spirit but I cannot find these words in the Bible. If something is destroyed it surely must be dead and if it is immortal it cannot be dead. I see nothing as simple as 2 + 2 = 4 in saying that something that cannot die can be destroyed. Please list Bible verses and I will be more able to understand what you say. Or do you get your ideas from something other than the Bible?

 

[Katzpur]

@lostwanderingsoul, I'd enjoy hearing your thoughts on my post #14, if you wouldn't mind. You never responded to it, so I kind of assumed you didn't find it worthwhile. If you didn't, that's okay. I was just curious. Also, I just thought I'd point out that sometimes the Bible doesn't come right out and say something directly. We have to take the things it does say, put them together, use our brains to understand them, and then ask God for help in coming to a conclusion about what they mean. It would be so much easier if everything was spelled out for us in such a way that we couldn't possibly interpret things incorrectly. Unfortunately, that's not always how it is.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So you are saying that the spirit is immortal and lives after the body dies? Can you gives Bible verses to show this?

Of course.

"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord."


"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades..."

 

[nPeace]

Q: What does the word, ‘Mortal’, pertain to?
A: Something able to DIE…..

Q: What does the word, ‘Immortal’, pertain to?
A: Something NOT able to DIE….

Dying and being destroyed are not the same things.

Dictionary:
“living forever; never dying or decaying.

• "our mortal body is inhabited by an immortal spirit”

Strong’s Concordance (110):

• Athanasia: immortality, imperishability, freedom from death

Freedom from death does not mean ‘not subject to destruction’!

A person, more specifically, the Spirit of a person, is NOT SUBJECT TO DEATH….. it cannot DIE —— but it can be DESTROYED (but only by the power of its maker: Almighty God)

I’m intrigued as to what you think of a concept that is as simple as 2+2 = 4 that you struggle to understand?

Are you perhaps still confused as to the difference between Death of thd Soul and Destruction of the Soul?

Wait a minute Soapy!?
Something NOT able to DIE,,, can be destroyed?
Dying and being destroyed are not the same things?

If one is destroyed they dont die? !!!?
Have you thought this through Soapy?
Can you explain that please?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

@lostwanderingsoul, I'd enjoy hearing your thoughts on my post #14, if you wouldn't mind. You never responded to it, so I kind of assumed you didn't find it worthwhile. If you didn't, that's okay. I was just curious. Also, I just thought I'd point out that sometimes the Bible doesn't come right out and say something directly. We have to take the things it does say, put them together, use our brains to understand them, and then ask God for help in coming to a conclusion about what they mean. It would be so much easier if everything was spelled out for us in such a way that we couldn't possibly interpret things incorrectly. Unfortunately, that's not always how it is.

Thank you. You had a lot of information in your post. I am still sorting it out and will try to respond soon. Let me just ask quickly. If yu have been reading posts from "soapy" he talks about things that are immortal but can be destroyed. I feel that something immortal cannot die and if something is destroyed it would have to be dead. Any thoughts? Do you believe souls or spirits or anything else is immortal? Of course God is immortal, but anything else? I do appreciate your input and find much of it very informative and useful. Thanks.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Of course.

"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord."


"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades..."

Sorry but I do not see the word immortal there. Does any verse say that anything is "immortal" and can never die? I have looked for such a verse for a long time and never found it. You can do me a great favor by telling me where it is. Immortal soul or immortal soirit or immortal anything. Just one verse will be a big help. Nobody else has been able to quote it for me, can you?

 

[oldbadger]

I was reading this.And in John 5:25 and John 5:28-29.And Daniel 12:2 it looks like to me that people can hear Jesus's voice but are still dead.And that they will come back to life laterFrom what Jesus says.What is your opinion?

An idea copied from Daniel..... it sounded good.
Spiritual waffle?

 

[Soapy]

Wait a minute Soapy!?
Something NOT able to DIE,,, can be destroyed?
Dying and being destroyed are not the same things?

If one is destroyed they dont die? !!!?
Have you thought this through Soapy?
Can you explain that please?

Oh boy!!!

Do you realise you just turned all that I said on its head…

I said that:

1. the Spirit cannot DIE…
2. The Spirit is therefore immortal
3. But even an IMMortal spirit can be DESTROYED by the power of its creator

You turned all that upside down and then claim I am wrong. It is evident that if something that is destroyed must also be dead…. But that is not the same as something being dead is also destroyed.

It seems you purposely - or let’s just say, accidentally - swapped the premises around and got the wrong answer : You turned a simple 2+2=4 into 4+2=2 and then claimed that I said that….!!

No, I did not.

I asked if you were confused between being Dead and being Destroyed…. I see that indeed you are!!

‘Dead’ is a human concept. God does not see ‘Dead’ persons because he created the spirit of the person and knows that when the purpose is (let’s say, ‘passed’) in this life their spirit is still alive but sleeping, inert, WITH HIM. The spirit CANNOT INTERACT in the created world not in the spirit world so it is INACTIVE in all senses! Literally. It cannot act and cannot perceive … perception is through the body that it had occupied : hearing, feeling, seeing, smelling, tasting, etc.

Resurrection is where God replaces that dormant spirit back into a body wherein the spirit can now interact in the created world.

But though man cannot destroy that spirit resting in Gods grace… if God desired, HE, the creator, could DESTROY the spirit. He doesn’t do that because:

• ‘My Father judges no one but has out all judgement into the hands of the Son!’

Here, Jesus is given the power of God and the privilege of judging all people and the angels at the end of time. It is Jesus, now with temporary use of the power of God, who judges and decides who among all entities will be SAVED INTK EVERLASTING LIFE of Will be ETERNALLY DESTROYED!!

So, those judged as worthy for the kingdom of God will be resurrected from the dead state back into a living state.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Oh boy!!!

Do you realise you just turned all that I said on its head…

I said that:

1. the Spirit cannot DIE…
2. The Spirit is therefore immortal
3. But even an IMMortal spirit can be DESTROYED by the power of its creator

You turned all that upside down and then claim I am wrong. It is evident that if something that is destroyed must also be dead…. But that is not the same as something being dead is also destroyed.

It seems you purposely - or let’s just say, accidentally - swapped the premises around and got the wrong answer : You turned a simple 2+2=4 into 4+2=2 and then claimed that I said that….!!

No, I did not.

I asked if you were confused between being Dead and being Destroyed…. I see that indeed you are!!

‘Dead’ is a human concept. God does not see ‘Dead’ persons because he created the spirit of the person and knows that when the purpose is (let’s say, ‘passed’) in this life their spirit is still alive but sleeping, inert, WITH HIM. The spirit CANNOT INTERACT in the created world not in the spirit world so it is INACTIVE in all senses! Literally. It cannot act and cannot perceive … perception is through the body that it had occupied : hearing, feeling, seeing, smelling, tasting, etc.

Resurrection is where God replaces that dormant spirit back into a body wherein the spirit can now interact in the created world.

But though man cannot destroy that spirit resting in Gods grace… if God desired, HE, the creator, could DESTROY the spirit. He doesn’t do that because:

• ‘My Father judges no one but has out all judgement into the hands of the Son!’

Here, Jesus is given the power of God and the privilege of judging all people and the angels at the end of time. It is Jesus, now with temporary use of the power of God, who judges and decides who among all entities will be SAVED INTK EVERLASTING LIFE of Will be ETERNALLY DESTROYED!!

So, those judged as worthy for the kingdom of God will be resurrected from the dead state back into a living state.

I think you have the basic idea right. But your use of the word immortal is wrong. Nothing is immortal except God. God cannot ever die or be destroyed. Souls or spirits or bodies or people, whatever you want to call them, are not immortal. They can come to an end of their lives. Notice I did not say die. They will no longer exist. In my book that is the same as being dead. The rest of what you say actually makes a lot of sense. I just don't agree with the use of the word immortal. I do not believe the soul or spirit or anything else is immortal.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Sorry but I do not see the word immortal there. Does any verse say that anything is "immortal" and can never die? I have looked for such a verse for a long time and never found it. You can do me a great favor by telling me where it is. Immortal soul or immortal soirit or immortal anything. Just one verse will be a big help. Nobody else has been able to quote it for me, can you?

There's lots of things in the Bible that aren't spelled out in the exact wording we use today. We are told that the soul lives on somewhere. How can it do this if it's mortal?
Jesus and the thief on the cross experienced physical death, but Jesus told the thief, “Today you will be with me in paradise.” The word used for “paradise” is the Greek word, “paradeisos”... the same word that Paul uses to describe heaven in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4.

At the Transfiguration, Jesus talks to Elijah and Moses. People who died long before Jesus was born, so how could this be true unless they exist as immortal souls, and not simply as physical bodies?

"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

1 Corinthians 15:53