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Making fun of atheism

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
All you have to do is open your eyes.

So, you have no links then? :rolleyes:

Every single atheist here claims that they don't believe that God exists because they have no "evidence" of it. Every single one.

Yes. Which is not at all the same as saying that this lack of evidence "proves that god does not exist", which is what you pretended we say. We don't. I'm sorry if you feel this compelled to double down on your strawman. I can only inform you of your error. Upto you what you do with it.

Which can only mean that they believe that if God exists, they would be able to ascertain sufficient evidence of it,

False.
There's plenty of things that likely exist for which we have no evidence of.
The point is that you can't rationally justify believing those things exist (regardless of whether or not they actually exist) without such evidence.

in spite of their irrationally demanding physical evidence for a metaphysical phenomenon.

It's not my fault that theists insist on believing unfalsifiable entities that can't be distinguished from entities that don't exist.

Having said that, I place no such limitations on evidence.
I'll listen to whatever evidence someone comes up with and evaluate in with intellectual integrity and honesty.

And irrationally assuming that all existence is contained and defined by it's physicality.

I make no such claim either.

It's one strawman after the other with you.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Provide falsifiable evidence that falsifiable evidence is a prerequisite of existence. You folks can't even follow your own proscription. Yet your skepticism never applies to your own presumptions.

Sheesh, so you cannot provide falsifiable evidence of your belief... because thats what you got, a belief

Nuf said...
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I am a true believer in manual transmission, i like to control my car.

But

But i change oil regularly and replace tyres before wearing down to the markers.

I must be very sinful

Well, of course, there have been various schisms and sectarian disagreements. There was certainly a lot of consternation and dissension when the government declared that the motor spirit must be unleaded, causing a snit among the old believers who believed in the leaded motor spirit.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
No, as an atheist I don't care about that. I only notice that I don't need to believe in gods. As for their metaphysical and ontological status I don't know. Just as I don't know if I am a Boltzmann Brain or nor. Or any other version of what is independent of mind.

But, arguably, it makes sense that you have at least considered the possibility and came to a decision. Critical thinking need not be based upon a strict analysis, just thinking and considering things.

That post was really to generate discussion, though, so I admit it isn't a complete assertion. :)
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Well, of course, there have been various schisms and sectarian disagreements. There was certainly a lot of consternation and dissension when the government declared that the motor spirit must be unleaded, causing a snit among the old believers who believed in the leaded motor spirit.

And the lifting of the walking speed speed limit with a lacky carrying a red flag before the motor was a real point of concern for the more conservative drivers
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
But, arguably, it makes sense that you have at least considered the possibility and came to a decision. Critical thinking need not be based upon a strict analysis, just thinking and considering things.

That post was really to generate discussion, though, so I admit it isn't a complete assertion. :)

Yes, I came to the decision that I don't need to know what the ontological/metaphysical status of objective reality is.
As for being an atheist I accept religion as such. I don't consider it a positive or negative, but rather in part one way to cope with being a human. And since I am skeptic I don't believe in any version of objectively right or wrong, so I can't tell how you should live your live as you.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
And the lifting of the walking speed speed limit with a lacky carrying a red flag before the motor was a real point of concern for the more conservative drivers

The believers in the Great Motor Spirit resist the idea of speed limits, considering that to be outside of the jurisdiction of humanity. The song "I can't drive 55" is a favorite hymn among many believers, appealing to the sentiments of many drivers who feel a "higher calling" when they get behind the wheel and start zooming down the road.

When you think about it, speed limits are actually a flagrant violation of the Freedom of Religion.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
It is another expression of the atheism definition, it cares no information about your lifestyle and dreams. Do you wanna get information of how World has begun? If yes, then what do you do to get that information?
For sure I will not buy some divine explanation made up by people who know as little as me.

Ciao

- viole
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
They could tell me about what they posses, I mean the quest for explaining the Big Bang, the mystery of UFO and time. It does not tell me much, when they say "we have lack of..."
That's because that's not what we say. You have carefully constructed your own silly strawman. I'll leave it to you to cut it down.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Atheism defines people do not believe in Theism.
nothing more and nothing less.
That might be a problem for a confirmed Theist, but not for the Atheist.
Few if any have reason to describe them selves as either for or against such beliefs. it is a non issue.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Atheism defines people do not believe in Theism.
nothing more and nothing less.
That might be a problem for a confirmed Theist, but not for the Atheist.
Few if any have reason to describe them selves as either for or against such beliefs. it is a non issue.

No, that is one version of atheism. Here is another:
Definitions
Atheism is the comprehensive world view of persons who are free from theism and have freed themselves of supernatural beliefs altogether. It is predicated on ancient Greek Materialism.

Atheism involves the mental attitude that unreservedly accepts the supremacy of reason and aims at establishing a life-style and ethical outlook verifiable by experience and the scientific method, independent of all arbitrary assumptions of authority and creeds.

Materialism declares that the cosmos is devoid of immanent conscious purpose; that it is governed by its own inherent, immutable, and impersonal laws; that there is no supernatural interference in human life; that humankind, finding the resources within themselves, can and must create their own destiny. It teaches that we must prize our life on earth and strive always to improve it. It holds that human beings are capable of creating a social system based on reason and justice. Materialism’s ‘faith’ is in humankind and their ability to transform the world culture by their own efforts. This is a commitment that is, in its very essence, life-asserting. It considers the struggle for progress as a moral obligation that is impossible without noble ideas that inspire us to bold, creative works. Materialism holds that our potential for good and more fulfilling cultural development is, for all practical purposes, unlimited.
Our Vision

We, as atheists, can't agree on the proper, correct definition of atheism.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
All you have to do is open your eyes. Every single atheist here claims that they don't believe that God exists because they have no "evidence" of it. Every single one. Which can only mean that they believe that if God exists, they would be able to ascertain sufficient evidence of it, in spite of their irrationally demanding physical evidence for a metaphysical phenomenon. And irrationally assuming that all existence is contained and defined by it's physicality.

But that's really all that we have to go by, the physicality. Beyond that, we can speculate and guess, but anyone's guess is as good as anyone else's.

If we don't know something, then we don't know. If someone claims to know something, then people will want to know how do they know, at which point they'll be expected to present evidence demonstrating how they know. It's not an unreasonable or irrational expectation.

I honestly don't know the origins of the universe or how we, as humans, came to be here on this Earth. I don't see that there's anything wrong with admitting this, if it's the truth. I'm not against the idea of there being some sort of "Creator" or "Designer," but I'm not going to make any assumptions based on speculation or other people's runaway imaginations.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
No, that is one version of atheism. Here is another:

Our Vision

We, as atheists, can't agree on the proper, correct definition of atheism.

I do not accept that Atheists are a group at all, and certainly not one with common interests and goals.
I would suggest that most people who do not have a religion or believe in god, are in fact Agnostic and have not found anything that is in any way convincing to them.

Some people might be hostile to and disbelieving to one religion, and be agnostic to all others.
It is certainly possible to totally disbelieve one religion. while having no opinion about another.
Totally disbelieving all religion and supernatural beliefs might be comparatively rare.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
To get in the spirit of the thread - All atheists have monkey cousins (even if distantly related), but then so do all humans. As below, where the larger ape (perhaps being religious) is telling the monkey - You are not MY cousin! :oops:

Monkeyana.JPG
 
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mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
To get in the spirit of the thread - All atheists have monkey cousins (even if distantly related), but then so do all humans. As below, where the larger ape (perhaps being religious) is telling the monkey - You are not MY cousin!
...

Well, it is not an atheistic belief for at least one version of atheism that all atheists have monkey cousins (even if distantly related), but then so do all humans. That is another kind of claim and a positive one as such.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Well, it is not an atheistic belief for at least one version of atheism that all atheists have monkey cousins (even if distantly related), but then so do all humans. That is another kind of claim and a positive one as such.
Don't know about that but a poll of atheists here on RF would probably find most believing in the accepted view of evolution - give or take some further explanations that might come to light in the future - and where we do seem to be related to other such species.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
They could tell me about what they posses, I mean the quest for explaining the Big Bang, the mystery of UFO and time. It does not tell me much, when they say "we have lack of..."

I can't speak for other atheists, but:

- I believe in utilitarianism. I can't prove it, but I believe it.
- I believe in science.

One of the things that motivation science teaches us is that the old "carrot and stick" form of motivation is weak, crude, and ineffective. Much stronger is action motivated by "intrinsic motivation". For example, most people would believe in the golden rule even without religion, because it's intrinsically motivating to follow.
 
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