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Making fun of atheism

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
It gives not further insight beyond "we have lack of belief."

Off course it doesn't give further insights about anything else, as that is the only thing "atheism" is about.
Whatever an atheist believes about big bang and ufo's and ghosts under the bed, are irrelevant to their atheism - which deals only with disbelief of theistic claims.


But what gives the insight, is what poetry do you prefer?

You'ld have to ask every atheist individually.
Atheism carries no central doctrine or dogma or worldview or what-have-you. Atheism is just about disbelief in theistic claims. That's it.

The sooner you accept that, the sooner you will stop creating these silly threads.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
They believe that that lack of evidence is proof of the lack of God.

Who are you talking about?
Because never in my life have I seen an atheist make that silly point. Nor do I know a single atheist who would agree to it.


This is the wildly irrational, of course, and logically indefensible, so when directly confronted, they deny it.

You mean, when you present this strawman, they deny it?
Off course they do.

And yet they still say it all the time

All the time ey?

Then surely you have no problems sharing some links to posts from atheists on this forum where that is being said?

because they really do believe it. And by "they", I mean the vast majority of atheists that post here on RF, and elsewhere.

Ow?

Now most certainly you are required to post links and support your wild claim.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Atheists believe that if God existed, they would know it because they would have "evidence" of it.

This one doesn't.
They believe that that lack of evidence is proof of the lack of God.

Ditto.
This is the wildly irrational, of course, and logically indefensible, so when directly confronted, they deny it.

Probably because it isn't true about their position.
And yet they still say it all the time because they really do believe it.

Who says it? I've never made these claims.
And by "they", I mean the vast majority of atheists that post here on RF, and elsewhere.

Can't say I've noticed. Do you have an example?

As I've pointed out many times before, not only is 'god', without further definition, meaningless, the lack of evidence and/or reasoning for the claims of theists don't mean that they are necessarily false, just that they haven't made a case to take them seriously.
 
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Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
The legitimate statements are:
1. there is no gasoline,
2. I am lacking of gasoline,
3. I am out of gasoline,
4. etc.
But it is somewhat retarded to say:
5. I have lack of 1000 liters of gasoline in my possession, please let me show you that. Are you selling your lacks?


Could you define your purpose in choosing the term "retarded"?

It appears that you are changing the goalpost from "logical" to "sounding foolish."
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Who are you talking about?
Because never in my life have I seen an atheist make that silly point. Nor do I know a single atheist who would agree to it.




You mean, when you present this strawman, they deny it?
Off course they do.



All the time ey?

Then surely you have no problems sharing some links to posts from atheists on this forum where that is being said?



Ow?

Now most certainly you are required to post links and support your wild claim.
All you have to do is open your eyes. Every single atheist here claims that they don't believe that God exists because they have no "evidence" of it. Every single one. Which can only mean that they believe that if God exists, they would be able to ascertain sufficient evidence of it, in spite of their irrationally demanding physical evidence for a metaphysical phenomenon. And irrationally assuming that all existence is contained and defined by it's physicality.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
They could tell me about what they posses, I mean the quest for explaining the Big Bang, the mystery of UFO and time. It does not tell me much, when they say "we have lack of..."
One significant difference between believers and atheists is that atheists are very happy to state "I'm not sure" or "I don't know" - we don't need to have an answer for everything. We understand that there are things that are beyond our current knowledge .. that's fine and exciting
 

PureX

Veteran Member
One significant difference between believers and atheists is that atheists are very happy to state "I'm not sure" or "I don't know" - we don't need to have an answer for everything. We understand that there are things that are beyond our current knowledge .. that's fine and exciting
Many theist will say the same. But the atheists don't debate with them. They're too reasonable.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
All you have to do is open your eyes. Every single atheist here claims that they don't believe that God exists because they have no "evidence" of it. Every single one. Which can only mean that they believe that if God exists, they would be able to ascertain sufficient evidence of it, in spite of their irrationally demanding physical evidence for a metaphysical phenomenon. And irrationally assuming that all existence is contained and defined by it's physicality.

Provide falsifiable evidence and i can guarantee the the vast majority of Atheists will review it and alter their stance according to the credibility of that evidence.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The legitimate statements are:
1. there is no gasoline,
2. I am lacking of gasoline,
3. I am out of gasoline,
4. etc.
But it is somewhat retarded to say:
5. I have lack of 1000 liters of gasoline in my possession, please let me show you that. Are you selling your lacks?

Most people would agree that there is such a substance known as "gasoline" (although some people incorrectly refer to it as "petrol"), and that it can be measured and verified. Nobody is required to "believe" that there is gasoline in the tank.

If your car stops and the fuel gauge indicates "empty," then it's reasonable to conclude that one is out of gas. No one would say "Have faith, gasoline moves in mysterious ways; we will soon be on our way."

If a gas tank is empty, then people would just accept that at face value, and no amount of wishing, hoping, or praying will ever cause gasoline to magically appear in the tank.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
All you have to do is open your eyes. Every single atheist here claims that they don't believe that God exists because they have no "evidence" of it. Every single one. Which can only mean that they believe that if God exists, they would be able to ascertain sufficient evidence of it...

Simply doesn't follow. If somebody makes a claim and cannot give any reason to take it seriously, then the rational response is not to take it seriously. All sorts of things may exist for which we have no evidence or rational reason to take seriously (including countless versions of god or gods), but why would I believe that any of them actually do?

This isn't difficult, it's basic logic and sanity. The alternative is to take all claims seriously, which would involve believing multiple contradictory things. That's why there is a burden of proof.

Many theists seem to think their favourite version of god should be some sort exception to how we think about any other claim.
...in spite of their irrationally demanding physical evidence for a metaphysical phenomenon.

I'll take any rational reason to take a god claim seriously. I've never demanded it be physical evidence. Yet to see one.
And irrationally assuming that all existence is contained and defined by it's physicality.

This is not an assumption I make.

You really do need to ditch the straw men.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
All you have to do is open your eyes. Every single atheist here claims that they don't believe that God exists because they have no "evidence" of it. Every single one.
There had better be SOME evidence... for goodness sake, and it had better not just come from the thoughts of some other human being. That's the real crux of it, I believe. I'm not just going to take your word for it. Why would I? You mostly just seem to make accusations and assumptions - I don't see any worthwhile information there.

Which can only mean that they believe that if God exists, they would be able to ascertain sufficient evidence of it,
There had better be "sufficient evidence" - otherwise what reason is there to believe it? I mean... just THINK (keyword here - take note) of ALL THE THINGS you have insufficient evidence of. Why don't you believe in all of them? Why not? Instead you pick this ONE inane and insignificant idea ("god") and you run with that all over the place like a chicken with its head cut off. Why? What makes that one item you have insufficient evidence for so much more special than all the others?

in spite of their irrationally demanding physical evidence for a metaphysical phenomenon.
Show me the "metaphysical evidence" then, and then demonstrate to me why that evidence points to this "metaphysical" thing or realm or whatever mattering in the realm we actually inhabit. And by that I don't mean the idea of abstract thought and things like "love" and "happiness" or concepts that we actually experience or utilize in a mutual fashion - I'm talking about an actual "realm" or "place" where "metaphysical things" can and do exist. Unless you want to admit that something being "in that realm" doesn't mean it actually exists in any pertinent way. Or admit that such a "realm" isn't a "place" at all - and in fact is just the brain child of so many goofballs.

And irrationally assuming that all existence is contained and defined by it's physicality.
If it exists elsewhere, or "without physicality" then it STILL exists! So share with me whatever evidence there is that demonstrates that existence! And if it is purely "in the mind" then so be it! Done! If we are rational people then we must admit that it has no outward presence - and therefore we must admit that people are entirely rational for not equally believing in the things that exist only in other people's minds.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
On a side note, I was just reading the Wiki article on gasoline (Gasoline - Wikipedia) and found this interesting bit of information:

British refiners originally used "motor spirit" as a generic name for the automotive fuel and "aviation spirit" for aviation gasoline. When Carless was denied a trademark on "petrol" in the 1930s, its competitors switched to the more popular name "petrol". However, "motor spirit" had already made its way into laws and regulations, so the term remains in use as a formal name for petrol.[19][20] The term is used most widely in Nigeria, where the largest petroleum companies call their product "premium motor spirit".[21] Although "petrol" has made inroads into Nigerian English, "premium motor spirit" remains the formal name that is used in scientific publications, government reports, and newspapers.[22]

The term "motor spirit" seems to apply some spiritual qualities to the substance which makes our vehicles go.

"Feel the power of the motor spirit in your car!"

And of course, it would be sinful to change the oil or replace the tires (even if they're worn out and bald). Only true believers would use manual transmission, while those who use automatics are heretics.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
On a side note, I was just reading the Wiki article on gasoline (Gasoline - Wikipedia) and found this interesting bit of information:



The term "motor spirit" seems to apply some spiritual qualities to the substance which makes our vehicles go.

"Feel the power of the motor spirit in your car!"

And of course, it would be sinful to change the oil or replace the tires (even if they're worn out and bald). Only true believers would use manual transmission, while those who use automatics are heretics.


I am a true believer in manual transmission, i like to control my car.

But

But i change oil regularly and replace tyres before wearing down to the markers.

I must be very sinful
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Expressions: I have lack of pencils,

I have lack of gasoline,

I have lack of belief,

carry no information of what is in your possession.


That could be found in the collection:
Dmitri Martila

They could tell me about what they posses, I mean the quest for explaining the Big Bang, the mystery of UFO and time. It does not tell me much, when they say "we have lack of..."


But what they do? Do they struggle to explain Big Bang like Dr. Hawking has tried and failed? Do they look for explanation of UFO, and Dark Matter?

What about you? What do you do, if you disbeliever.


It is another expression of the atheism definition, it cares no information about your lifestyle and dreams. Do you wanna get information of how World has begun? If yes, then what do you do to get that information?


The expression: "I have belief", carries information of what is there in possession.


It is simply redefinition of the atheism. It gives not further insight beyond "we have lack of belief."
But what gives the insight, is what poetry do you prefer?
But I am not asking you, because you are not atheist.


"Poetry, Lanny? Go back to work!"



"I posses lack of gasoline" is nonsensical.


No, it does not. The sense makes this figure of speech: "I have no gasoline."


The ways to say fact can be wrong and illogical.



The legitimate statements are:
1. there is no gasoline,
2. I am lacking of gasoline,
3. I am out of gasoline,
4. etc.
But it is somewhat retarded to say:
5. I have lack of 1000 liters of gasoline in my possession, please let me show you that. Are you selling your lacks?



That is all I have asked for. Thank you. We have the winner.


Atheism doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's just saying the opposite of theism.

I believe pencils exist
I don't believe pencils exist

I believe love exist
I don't believe love exist

I believe deities exist
I don't believe deities exist

Yes, it has no inherent meaning. Theism doesn't either but the latter is much fancier than the former.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Provide falsifiable evidence and i can guarantee the the vast majority of Atheists will review it and alter their stance according to the credibility of that evidence.
Provide falsifiable evidence that falsifiable evidence is a prerequisite of existence. You folks can't even follow your own proscription. Yet your skepticism never applies to your own presumptions.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Atheists possess critical thinking skills that support a belief in a godless existence.

No, as an atheist I don't care about that. I only notice that I don't need to believe in gods. As for their metaphysical and ontological status I don't know. Just as I don't know if I am a Boltzmann Brain or nor. Or any other version of what is independent of mind.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Provide falsifiable evidence that falsifiable evidence is a prerequisite of existence. You folks can't even follow your own proscription. Yet your skepticism never applies to your own presumptions.

Well, very few people are strong skeptics. I learned skepticism from scientific skeptics and then I moved on to become a general skeptic. We have a least some scientific skeptic here, but I think we are very few general skeptics.
 
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