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Frank Goad

Well-Known Member
Do you follow or believe in the 10 commandments?

But if you seeking only OBE And Lucid dreaming, isn't that something you do to please your own ego? And not to please God?

I do believe in the 10 commandments.:)How is it egotistical wanting to make a stronger connection with him(God)by dreams?Or in the spirit?:)I know God is real.I know he hears my prayers.I will explain it in an analogy.Imagine you are writing someone ever day.But you have never talked with them in person.Would it help more just to keep writing them?Or to meet them in person?Which one would help more in your relationship?:)
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I do believe in the 10 commandments.:)How is it egotistical wanting to make a stronger connection with him(God)by dreams?Or in the spirit?:)I know God is real.I know he hears my prayers.I will explain it in an analogy.Imagine you are writing someone ever day.But you have never talked with them in person.Would it help more just to keep writing them?Or to meet them in person?Which one would help more in your relationship?:)
It comes down to wanting, when you accept that it is hard work every day to perfect your own being before you can even come close to God, then it is no longer the ego that speaks. When you instead say, I do what God asks of me in the teaching without just focus on one tiny thing that might have been said in the bible, but use all the teaching to become a pure human being that would be able to enter paradise, that is where you will meet God
 

Frank Goad

Well-Known Member
It comes down to wanting, when you accept that it is hard work every day to perfect your own being before you can even come close to God, then it is no longer the ego that speaks. When you instead say, I do what God asks of me in the teaching without just focus on one tiny thing that might have been said in the bible, but use all the teaching to become a pure human being that would be able to enter paradise, that is where you will meet God

So your saying it's all about letting go and letting God help you?Like in Psalms 46:10?
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Yes :) we take it slow so many see us more as friends than a couple
Interesting. Learn more and more about you. I have been married since October 22, 1982. My one and only marriage. The Bab appeared to me in a dream and told me I would get married soon. I asked Him when I would meet her and she said Wednesday. I woke up that morning and I took it I would meet her on a Wednesday. Not long after a Baha'i friend of Sara in Northern Ohio called me and and acted as a matchmaker, and asked if I would meet her. I told her no, I was about to move to San Antonio from the Dayton, Ohio area. After I moved to San Antonio, felt lonely there, and thought hmm why not write her? Somehow I knew the phone number of this matchmaker called her and asked for the address of this Sara. I wrote her, and was shocked at how soon about how soon I got a letter from Sara. There were nothing in that letter that indicated feelings for me, but I knew. Soon the feelings were in the open. I was 1300 miles or so from her, but I visited my family in the Dayton area and borrowed a car from them and drove to the Cleveland area. I had decided earlier to meet her on Wednesday July 7th. Was what the Bab said a prophecy or a command?

Being the very shy person I was I was very nervous about meeting her in person. When I was introduced to her I broke out in nervous laughter. However whatever bad impression that I made she said later she was still interested in me. However at the same time she was getting cold feet. She didn't think she was up to marriage. She told me on the night of July 8th that I could find a better match elsewhere or something to that effect. I went to bed in the matchmakers home thinking it was over, but as far as my feelings went it hadn't sunk in. I woke up the next morning and she was walking outside the house. I ran downstairs and she rushed into my arms, and she had written a letter and read from it and proposed. I felt a sense of peace that marrying her was the right decision. I said "okay" and later she said at the time she felt that was an odd way to accept. Then over time she found out I said "okay" a lot. It was July 9th the anniversary of the martyrdom of the Bab.

When I look back, if I hadn't moved to San Antonio we wouldn't be married today. I was ineloquent in person and very shy. In writing, in my first letter to her I was eloquent to her and honest. It was if I knew her already. That's what initially attracted her to me. We still have our letters to each other and her written proposal.

Couldn't resist telling you this story. I feel that we are good friends.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Interesting. Learn more and more about you. I have been married since October 22, 1982. My one and only marriage. The Bab appeared to me in a dream and told me I would get married soon. I asked Him when I would meet her and she said Wednesday. I woke up that morning and I took it I would meet her on a Wednesday. Not long after a Baha'i friend of Sara in Northern Ohio called me and and acted as a matchmaker, and asked if I would meet her. I told her no, I was about to move to San Antonio from the Dayton, Ohio area. After I moved to San Antonio, felt lonely there, and thought hmm why not write her? Somehow I knew the phone number of this matchmaker called her and asked for the address of this Sara. I wrote her, and was shocked at how soon about how soon I got a letter from Sara. There were nothing in that letter that indicated feelings for me, but I knew. Soon the feelings were in the open. I was 1300 miles or so from her, but I visited my family in the Dayton area and borrowed a car from them and drove to the Cleveland area. I had decided earlier to meet her on Wednesday July 7th. Was what the Bab said a prophecy or a command?

Being the very shy person I was I was very nervous about meeting her in person. When I was introduced to her I broke out in nervous laughter. However whatever bad impression that I made she said later she was still interested in me. However at the same time she was getting cold feet. She didn't think she was up to marriage. She told me on the night of July 8th that I could find a better match elsewhere or something to that effect. I went to bed in the matchmakers home thinking it was over, but as far as my feelings went it hadn't sunk in. I woke up the next morning and she was walking outside the house. I ran downstairs and she rushed into my arms, and she had written a letter and read from it and proposed. I felt a sense of peace that marrying her was the right decision. I said "okay" and later she said at the time she felt that was an odd way to accept. Then over time she found out I said "okay" a lot. It was July 9th the anniversary of the martyrdom of the Bab.

When I look back, if I hadn't moved to San Antonio we wouldn't be married today. I was ineloquent in person and very shy. In writing, in my first letter to her I was eloquent to her and honest. It was if I knew her already. That's what initially attracted her to me. We still have our letters to each other and her written proposal.

Couldn't resist telling you this story. I feel that we are good friends.
Thank you for sharing this story @Truthseeker9 :)

I think the answer I gave there was about the Muslim girl I was seeing for some time? That ended in nothing :) Andi do not have a lot of contact with her :)
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Interesting. Learn more and more about you. I have been married since October 22, 1982. My one and only marriage.
Duane, I did not know you got married in 1982. You have three years on us because we got married in 1985, and it was our first and only marriage. Both of us were also Baha'is. We also got married three weeks after we met so it is a miracle we are still married. :D
Somehow I knew the phone number of this matchmaker called her and asked for the address of this Sara. I wrote her, and was shocked at how soon about how soon I got a letter from Sara. There were nothing in that letter that indicated feelings for me, but I knew. Soon the feelings were in the open.
That's very interesting. I knew Lewis through letters he wrote to me before I ever met him. He wrote me love letters and I thought this man must be crazy, he does not even know me! A month later we were married and the rest is history. :rolleyes:
 

Frank Goad

Well-Known Member
Judges 5

5 Then sang Deborah and Barak the son of Abinoam on that day, saying, 2 Praise ye the LORD for the avenging of Israel, when the people willingly offered themselves.

3 Hear, O ye kings; give ear, O ye princes; I, even I, will sing unto the LORD; I will sing praise to the LORD God of Israel.

4 LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, when thou marchedst out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water.

5 The mountains melted from before the LORD, even that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel.

6 In the days of Shamgar the son of Anath, in the days of Jael, the highways were unoccupied, and the travellers walked through byways.

7 The inhabitants of the villages ceased, they ceased in Israel, until that I Deborah arose, that I arose a mother in Israel.

8 They chose new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel?

9 My heart is toward the governors of Israel, that offered themselves willingly among the people. Bless ye the LORD.

10 Speak, ye that ride on white asses, ye that sit in judgment, and walk by the way.

11 They that are delivered from the noise of archers in the places of drawing water, there shall they rehearse the righteous acts of the LORD, even the righteous acts toward the inhabitants of his villages in Israel: then shall the people of the LORD go down to the gates.

12 Awake, awake, Deborah: awake, awake, utter a song: arise, Barak, and lead thy captivity captive, thou son of Abinoam.

13 Then he made him that remaineth have dominion over the nobles among the people: the LORD made me have dominion over the mighty.

14 Out of Ephraim was there a root of them against Amalek; after thee, Benjamin, among thy people; out of Machir came down governors, and out of Zebulun they that handle the pen of the writer.

15 And the princes of Issachar were with Deborah; even Issachar, and also Barak: he was sent on foot into the valley. For the divisions of Reuben there were great thoughts of heart.

16 Why abodest thou among the sheepfolds, to hear the bleatings of the flocks? For the divisions of Reuben there were great searchings of heart.

17 Gilead abode beyond Jordan: and why did Dan remain in ships? Asher continued on the sea shore, and abode in his breaches.

18 Zebulun and Naphtali were a people that jeoparded their lives unto the death in the high places of the field.

19 The kings came and fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.

20 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.

Here is the whole chapter.:)

 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Judges 5

5 Then sang Deborah and Barak the son of Abinoam on that day, saying, 2 Praise ye the LORD for the avenging of Israel, when the people willingly offered themselves.

3 Hear, O ye kings; give ear, O ye princes; I, even I, will sing unto the LORD; I will sing praise to the LORD God of Israel.

4 LORD, when thou wentest out of Seir, when thou marchedst out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water.

5 The mountains melted from before the LORD, even that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel.

6 In the days of Shamgar the son of Anath, in the days of Jael, the highways were unoccupied, and the travellers walked through byways.

7 The inhabitants of the villages ceased, they ceased in Israel, until that I Deborah arose, that I arose a mother in Israel.

8 They chose new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel?

9 My heart is toward the governors of Israel, that offered themselves willingly among the people. Bless ye the LORD.

10 Speak, ye that ride on white asses, ye that sit in judgment, and walk by the way.

11 They that are delivered from the noise of archers in the places of drawing water, there shall they rehearse the righteous acts of the LORD, even the righteous acts toward the inhabitants of his villages in Israel: then shall the people of the LORD go down to the gates.

12 Awake, awake, Deborah: awake, awake, utter a song: arise, Barak, and lead thy captivity captive, thou son of Abinoam.

13 Then he made him that remaineth have dominion over the nobles among the people: the LORD made me have dominion over the mighty.

14 Out of Ephraim was there a root of them against Amalek; after thee, Benjamin, among thy people; out of Machir came down governors, and out of Zebulun they that handle the pen of the writer.

15 And the princes of Issachar were with Deborah; even Issachar, and also Barak: he was sent on foot into the valley. For the divisions of Reuben there were great thoughts of heart.

16 Why abodest thou among the sheepfolds, to hear the bleatings of the flocks? For the divisions of Reuben there were great searchings of heart.

17 Gilead abode beyond Jordan: and why did Dan remain in ships? Asher continued on the sea shore, and abode in his breaches.

18 Zebulun and Naphtali were a people that jeoparded their lives unto the death in the high places of the field.

19 The kings came and fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.

20 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.

Here is the whole chapter.:)
I found this

Scholars have had a very difficult time in making sense out of the 5th chapter of Judges just because it is a song, it reflects a short slice of Israelite history, and so it takes many liberties with words and phrases. Thus when The Song of Deborah is examined stanza-by-stanza by taking the usual fully literal high road of Scriptural study or exegesis we will instead find ourselves lost in the woods. Some of the lines of this song are so difficult to unravel that there is nothing even approaching a majority or consensus view of it’s meaning. And I think that indeed this problem is primarily owed to ignoring the era, ignoring the changing and evolving Hebrew culture, and simply trying instead to translate words as though history was static and the context of events didn’t matter.
Lesson 8 - Judges 5 (torahclass.com)

Other than that I can not answer, Maybe some of the Jewish members could help you ?
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Duane, I did not know you got married in 1982. You have three years on us because we got married in 1985, and it was our first and only marriage. Both of us were also Baha'is. We also got married three weeks after we met so it is a miracle we are still married. :D
You may have heard that before, but it was so long ago you don't remember. I don't remember if I told you that before. My memory is bad these days. My neurologist said I had a ministroke which affected my memory. I don't remember either when I first met you on Planet Baha'i. What year was that?

You may still be married but my marriage is functioning much better than yours.
I knew Lewis through letters he wrote to me before I ever met him. He wrote me love letters and I thought this man must be crazy, he does not even know me! A month later we were married and the rest is history. :rolleyes:
I didn't know he wrote love letters to you before you met him. Did you tell that before, do you know? The purple rolleyes is your acknowledgement of how bad it went later.
 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I don't remember either when I first met you on Planet Baha'i. What year was that? I could deduce your last name there, I remember that,
It was in January 2013 and you had better edit your post and delete my name because it is not good for people to know names of people. That was a mistake I made because I did not know anything about forums back then.
You may still be married but my marriage is functioning much better than yours.
We are doing better lately but we have many many more challenges than you and Sara, so it has been much more difficult for us. Our life has never been simple and stress free. There has always been work, many cats and the three houses, and now health problems for my husband.
I didn't know he wrote love letters to you before you met him. Did you tell that before, do you know?The purple rolleyes is your acknowledgement of how bad it went later.
I don't think I ever told you about those letters before. I also forgot to tel you want happened at our wedding. Many of the people who attended the ceremony saw something pass over in the sky on a completely clear day when we were saying our vows. I forgot what it was, but I think it was an omen of things to come.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Equal humans. I see them so I observe human to human.

I see human suffering. My human conscious human thoughts ask why.

No animal asks why on my human behalf.

I get told by just humans God commanded that they be hurt and suffering.

Basic conscious advice says why?

They did wrong I get told by other humans. Against God

So I think because I can. Who or what humans did something wrong against God?

Oh scientists did a human choice.

So I read about observed natural human history. No science. Natural life itself to consciously human advise myself that science a human choice is a liar.

Consciousness of just the human being a human.
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
It was in January 2013 and you had better edit your post and delete my name because it is not good for people to know names of people. That was a mistake I made because I did not know anything about forums back then.
It was edited. Sorry about that. There were two names at the top of my posts. I don't remember the handles of those. One of them told everybody my last name. For that matter, Dale revealed his full name in one of them, he didn't hide it. On Facebook, pretty much people's real name is their handle.

On Facebook, I have no idea most of the time if the person I may be friends with there may be someone I knew on Planet Baha'i. Besides Dale, I know two, but one never answered me when I posted to her. I had been away from Facebook so long, it was several years so that she was probably mad at me. They were before your time when you were on Planet Baha'i. One was named Simon. In the forum he was called Samcat, but since he was a host with me, I was told his real name behind the scenes. He father was a famous Baha'i actor who died a year ago in July I think at over 100. He was in a film about Muhammad. He was in a James Bond film. He was the first first black actor to have a significant role in England in the 1950s. The first World Congress in 1963 in London impressed him so much he became a Baha'i.

Boy, am I rambling.
We are doing better lately but we have many many more challenges than you and Sara, so it has been much more difficult for us. Our life has never been simple and stress free. There has always been work, many cats and the three houses, and now health problems for my husband.
We have had an autistic child, I was laid off at about 50 and never worked again. But these days there is much less stress than you have. Not having the stress of work, for instance, for either of us. We don't the same scale of emotional problems you two have. My wife loves me.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
It was edited. Sorry about that. There were two names at the top of my posts. I don't remember the handles of those. One of them told everybody my last name. For that matter, Dale revealed his full name in one of them, he didn't hide it. On Facebook, pretty much people's real name is their handle.
I don't know if you remember that poster crow on BUE, but she tracked me down and called the State Dept of Licensing to check if I really had a counseling license and I did but it had lapsed so she told everyone I didn't and that I lied. She did a lot worse than that on the Opinion forum. She hated the idea of God and she especially hated the Baha'i Faith but she hated me because at that time I talked about Baha'i a lot.

I never go on Facebook.
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Even i do follow Islam teaching i have gone past the "religion" and do not see a self anymore
By following Islam teaching you mean following laws of Islam such as prayers five times a day and fasting? That is good if you do so, according to Baha'u'llah in the mystic way. Also it is not good to be ascetic as opposed to being detached from material things. Also it is impossible to know God directly according to Baha'i. You reach the tree beyond which there is no passing, meaning being one with the prophet.

What does going past "religion" mean to you? It is good to go beyond self, but it is a journey to get there that is infinite in time. That is good because it would be boring to have no further way to go. Same with knowledge , there is an infinite amount of knowledge to be gained over an infinite amount of time. This goes hand-in-hand with gaining virtues infinitely. It is a wonderful part of God's plan, the infinite road.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
By following Islam teaching you mean following laws of Islam such as prayers five times a day and fasting? That is good if you do so, according to Baha'u'llah in the mystic way. Also it is not good to be ascetic as opposed to being detached from material things. Also it is impossible to know God directly according to Baha'i. You reach the tree beyond which there is no passing, meaning being one with the prophet.

What does going past "religion" mean to you? It is good to go beyond self, but it is a journey to get there that is infinite in time. That is good because it would be boring to have no further way to go. Same with knowledge , there is an infinite amount of knowledge to be gained over an infinite amount of time. This goes hand-in-hand with gaining virtues infinitely. It is a wonderful part of God's plan, the infinite road.
Going beyond religion means to not see the teaching as a doctrine, but as a way of life. It becomes deeper that just a belief.
And yes, following the rules of Islam/sufism is a part of this.

When speaking of not seeing the self, it means that there is no dividing between people, one is not here for self, but here for everyone to have unconditional love from within. ( sometimes it is very hard to hold it)
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
I don't know if you remember that poster crow on BUE, but she tracked me down and called the State Dept of Licensing to check if I really had a counseling license and I did but it had lapsed so she told everyone I didn't and that I lied. She did a lot worse than that on the Opinion forum. She hated the idea of God and she especially hated the Baha'i Faith but she hated me because at that time I talked about Baha'i a lot.

I never go on Facebook.
I remember crow, she thought religion was a barrier to spirituality is what I remember, but I remember her from Alternates for Humanity. However, I may be remembering wrong. She was probably on BUE, too. That's the kind of forum that would attract someone like her. I seem to remember her spilling vitriol about you addressed to Planet Baha'i, but I was a moderator, and deleted her post. This part is more clear to me.
 
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