A Bunch of Reasons Why I Question Noah's Flood Story:

[metis]

Of course not all the bishops always agreed on things, I suppose. But here's where holy spirit kicks in. So the canon of 66 books was established in general at that point.

Yes, "at that point", and that point was in the 4th century, was done withn the Catholic Church, and was quite difficult to reach agreement on.

And of course, not everyone was encouraged to read the Bible for quite a while. Some I heard at great peril to themselves.

The danger is without the education, all too many people would not have the background to much do well with interpretation, and even Luther lamented that which led to new sects popping up like weeds in my yard with each claiming to the the "true Christians".

However, no denomination today tells their congregants not to read scripture on their own.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Perhaps you can ask Metis about that. Yes, I believe that it was holy spirit to bring together the books of the Bible. I do not believe that the holy spirit is one of the persons of the trinity.

We know that human beings put the Bible together. Fallible human beings.

It's your opinion that holy spirit doesn't explain anything. My opinion is that it does, just like the Ethiopian eunuch received help to understand the Bible. By the way, not inconsequentially, I do not believe the holy spirit (God's holy spirit) is a person of the trinity composed of three equal persons, each called God. OK? Just so we understand one another a little bit. Thank you.

Then perhaps you could explain how invoking the "holy spirit" does actually explain something and what it explains.

 

[metis]

The Holy Spirit doesn’t explain anything, nor verify anything as to what to include or exclude from the Bible canon.

Perhaps you can ask Metis about that.

There simply is no evidence, including scripure itself, that has the Holy Spirit doing that. Matter of fact, it's illogical as there are a great many of what theologians call "variations" [differences] throughout the scriptures. Unless one believes the HS suffers from acute schizophrenia, we must assume that Divine inspiration could not have gone that far.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Here's what I know right now: Moses wrote during his lifetime. It was passed along. Those writings were revered by the faithful Israelites.

You don't know that. Nobody has even shown that Moses existed in the first place.

They were copied and put into scrolls. It is also obvious that Moses did not write that he died. But for the very most part, it is faithfully and accurately (as possible) transcribed and copied.

Oh okay, so he wrote it all except the part that says he died. So who wrote that and how do you know?

You throw the word "know" around pretty loosely, eh?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Right, civilization doesn't always progress in a straight line. You look at time but also the civilization's level.

And once again you completely ignore the fact that we're talking about God's morality and not human morality.

 

[robocop (actually)]

And once again you completely ignore the fact that we're talking about God's morality and not human morality.

I have addressed that. For one thing, it is a gift from God to have a history and identity.

 

[YoursTrue]

There simply is no evidence, including scripure itself, that has the Holy Spirit doing that. Matter of fact, it's illogical as there are a great many of what theologians call "variations" [differences] throughout the scriptures. Unless one believes the HS suffers from acute schizophrenia, we must assume that Divine inspiration could not have gone that far.

Gone that far to where? Studying about the measurement of the temple in Ezekiel's vision lately. Very, very very interesting.

 

[YoursTrue]

There simply is no evidence, including scripure itself, that has the Holy Spirit doing that. Matter of fact, it's illogical as there are a great many of what theologians call "variations" [differences] throughout the scriptures. Unless one believes the HS suffers from acute schizophrenia, we must assume that Divine inspiration could not have gone that far.

So let's say you say how was holy spirit involved in Genesis right at the beginning -- hint: on the surface of the waters, ok? Going to and fro. Of course, no explanation needed there, right?

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, "at that point", and that point was in the 4th century, was done withn the Catholic Church, and was quite difficult to reach agreement on.

The danger is without the education, all too many people would not have the background to much do well with interpretation, and even Luther lamented that which led to new sects popping up like weeds in my yard with each claiming to the the "true Christians".

However, no denomination today tells their congregants not to read scripture on their own.

So then, what does the Pope say about salvation in other religions now?

 

[YoursTrue]

Asimov said- "Emotionally I am an atheist but I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist.."
so he was still open-minded enough to write a book like this-

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I'll look for it, thanks.

 

[YoursTrue]

Actually the 66 weren't that well extablished at all. Some were, such as the synoptic gospels, but some others certainly weren't. The Books of Revelation and Hebrews were highly debated as two examples.

At the council whereas the canon of the Bible was selected during the 4th century, it took over 1000 bishops over a half-century to decide, and yet some books they couldn't decide upon so they left those for another day [Apocrypha].

Interestingly though, none of the books were written by Catholics, were they?

 

[YoursTrue]

I agree, but please also remember that writing objective history is not what drove our early Judeo-Christian ancestors as that's a much more recent phenominon. The use of myths and folklore, which doesn't mean falsehoods, btw, were used extennsively, thus taking many of these early myths are face value without considering what the authors were trying to convey is a mistake.

IOW, what are the morals of the myths and folklore that's being expressed? Noah's ark certainly falls into that context as it makes not one iota of sense to take it at the literal level.

So let me ask you a question. You've expressed your opinon of the Bible quite often. Here is my question: Do you believe that Jesus Christ was on the earth?

 

[rational experiences]

So let's say you say how was holy spirit involved in Genesis right at the beginning -- hint: on the surface of the waters, ok? Going to and fro. Of course, no explanation needed there, right?

Water evaporates. Clouds mass emerges goes away comes back moving back and forth in pressure changes when men were eradicating irradiating their owned human DNA genesis.

Holy water holy spirit.

We however own holy water above our head why we aren't God acts.

 

[rational experiences]

So let me ask you a question. You've expressed your opinon of the Bible quite often. Here is my question: Do you believe that Jesus Christ was on the earth?

Christ CH gases came out of God stone body.

Man the scientist sacrificed life of man by science lived on the ground.

I can name you Jesus a man without it being phi the man as Phi is only Phi.

Using a name by humans using applying names was self man prophetic. They said when a man was named Jesus life would be sacrificed. As men in science invented the prophetic life cause.

The same as when a man was named Galileo he would lie Gaol himself as men created science as practice science.

In the Jesus review one man was the inventor for science. Conscious advice was the same man thinker. The teaching. As a huge human population were also sacrificed.

The Jew Christian movement that proof life already being attacked. We always seek a teaching leadership the title was a man named Jesus.

Life blood human cell bones irradiated sacrificed the advice of heavens changing.

The image man on cross still today imaged seen in clouds atop mountains.

When three men on cross is seen as three men tortured is when scientific ignorance witnesses the tragedy emerge as the three holy men advice.

At the moment cloud image only showing one man on cross.

Ignored holy advice three times.

Jesus past
Stephen Haw King second advice...one man advice left.

 

[gnostic]

Interestingly though, none of the books were written by Catholics, were they?

No, they didn’t write them, but without the Roman church, the Bible as you know it, would’ve been lost. They were the ones who preserved them. Without the Catholic Church, all those other sects wouldn’t have existed.

I take it that you are from the Eastern or Greek Orthodox Church, so you don’t rely much on the Greek Septuagint.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Right, civilization doesn't always progress in a straight line. You look at time but also the civilization's level.

But it completely contradicts what you said earlier................ remember?
Let me refresh you rmemory:

Can you imagine trying to get an ancient people to tolerate gay people? Look at the US 50 years ago and even now.

The dominant culture back then had no problems with gay relations in that sense.
These the very cultures in which christianity was born.

So the exact opposite of what you are claiming is true.
You were insinuating that the anti-gay ideas were there to "accommodate" the mentality of the times, to not give them "moral guidelines" that they weren't ready for.

But in fact the opposite actually occurred. The dominant cultures back then were fine with it. It's actually abrahamic religion that introduced the homophobic beliefs.

So you have it exactly backwards.

Your immoral religion is responsible for most of the homophobia today in western culture. It's Abrahamic religion that introduced that.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I have addressed that. For one thing, it is a gift from God to have a history and identity.

So what was "the gift" when he introduced homophobia?

 

[robocop (actually)]

So what was "the gift" when he introduced homophobia?

I don't know the answer to everything.

 

[metis]

Gone that far to where?

I certainly don't believe that the HS answers all questions, including what are tomorrow's lottery numbers?

Studying about the measurement of the temple in Ezekiel's vision lately. Very, very very interesting.

What does that have to do with this?

 

[metis]

So let's say you say how was holy spirit involved in Genesis right at the beginning -- hint: on the surface of the waters, ok? Going to and fro. Of course, no explanation needed there, right?

What are you talking about?