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Facts in Religion and solution to Hawking's problem

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Facts: 1. The satan is very good at logic when it helps him to do evil. 2. There are two gods: satan and Jesus Christ. And a god can only be killed by another god.


Therefore (from facts 1 + 2): it is impossible to logically refute Darwin's Theory of Evolution. Each person has two gods, and satan does not want to part with Darwin's atheism. How to fight? God (satan) will be killed by another God (Jesus), so we must emphasize that science has a (negative) relationship to religion. Emphasize that religion lends itself to logical analysis.

Undecisive Information Loss Paradox

A. The conservation of information is the basis of Quantum Physics.
B. The Hawking Radiation (evaporation of black holes) was
discovered using Quantum Physics.
C. Due to Hawking Radiation, there is a "loss of information" paradox.

I see a contradiction in putting together the facts A+B+C.

Therefore, we can not be sure, that there is Hawking Radiation,
until the loss of information paradox is not resolved.
But without confidence in the existence of Hawking Radiation,
we have no confidence, that information loss happens.
The problem can not be correctly formulated.


ABOUT THE AUTHOR:

I can prove to all skeptics that this is my biography:
CV: Dmitri Martila (etis.ee)
After all, there are my contact details, and in the list of published articles there are articles in the highest physics journals, but also in the Russian newspaper: World of Orthodoxy. There is no need to be surprised and demand a public renunciation of faith: I am in the company of such faithful physicists as Newton and Einstein, and other Nobel laureates.

It is rude trolling to say a member of RF, that he has lied about his religious status. Look up my status: Eastern Orthodox Christianity.
 
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questfortruth

Well-Known Member
You like to debate what Fact and Opinion are, and they seem to be interchangeable to you. That's why I gave an example and a sourced link.
It is rude trolling to say a member of RF, that he has lied about his religious status. Look up my status: Eastern Orthodox Christianity.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Facts: 1. The satan is very good at logic when it helps him to do evil. 2. There are two gods: satan and Jesus Christ. And a god can only be killed by another god.


Therefore (from facts 1 + 2): it is impossible to logically refute Darwin's Theory of Evolution. Each person has two gods, and satan does not want to part with Darwin's atheism. How to fight? God (satan) will be killed by another God (Jesus), so we must emphasize that science has a (negative) relationship to religion. Emphasize that religion lends itself to logical analysis.

Undecisive Information Loss Paradox

A. The conservation of information is the basis of Quantum Physics.
B. The Hawking Radiation (evaporation of black holes) was
discovered using Quantum Physics.
C. Due to Hawking Radiation, there is a "loss of information" paradox.

I see a contradiction in putting together the facts A+B+C.

Therefore, we can not be sure, that there is Hawking Radiation,
until the loss of information paradox is not resolved.
But without confidence in the existence of Hawking Radiation,
we have no confidence, that information loss happens.
The problem can not be correctly formulated.


ABOUT THE AUTHOR:

I can prove to all skeptics that this is my biography:
CV: Dmitri Martila (etis.ee)
After all, there are my contact details, and in the list of published articles there are articles in the highest physics journals, but also in the Russian newspaper: World of Orthodoxy. There is no need to be surprised and demand a public renunciation of faith: I am in the company of such faithful physicists as Newton and Einstein, and other Nobel laureates.
hand-holding-i-give-up-sign.jpg
 

The Hammer

[REDACTED]
Premium Member
It is rude trolling to say a member of RF, that he has lied about his religious status. Look up my status: Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

I didn't say you lied about your religious status, I said what you are describing is duotheism. Your Christian, and describing duotheist/dualistic worldview of eternal conflict.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I didn't say you lied about your religious status, I said what you are describing is duotheism. Your Christian, and describing duotheist/dualistic worldview of eternal conflict.
It seems to be a variety of Manichaeism. But it could be something quite different in a couple of days from now. :rolleyes:
 

The Hammer

[REDACTED]
Premium Member
I respect you as a human being, but I have no idea what you speak about anymore, so this is why i say i give up. I do not know where you get your info from or how you mix Christianity with two Gods, and then on top of that you use some form of science to try to prove your point?

Yup.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Facts: 1. The satan is very good at logic when it helps him to do evil. 2. There are two gods: satan and Jesus Christ. And a god can only be killed by another god.


Therefore (from facts 1 + 2): it is impossible to logically refute Darwin's Theory of Evolution. Each person has two gods, and satan does not want to part with Darwin's atheism. How to fight? God (satan) will be killed by another God (Jesus), so we must emphasize that science has a (negative) relationship to religion. Emphasize that religion lends itself to logical analysis.

Undecisive Information Loss Paradox

A. The conservation of information is the basis of Quantum Physics.
B. The Hawking Radiation (evaporation of black holes) was
discovered using Quantum Physics.
C. Due to Hawking Radiation, there is a "loss of information" paradox.

I see a contradiction in putting together the facts A+B+C.

Therefore, we can not be sure, that there is Hawking Radiation,
until the loss of information paradox is not resolved.
But without confidence in the existence of Hawking Radiation,
we have no confidence, that information loss happens.
The problem can not be correctly formulated.


ABOUT THE AUTHOR:

I can prove to all skeptics that this is my biography:
CV: Dmitri Martila (etis.ee)
After all, there are my contact details, and in the list of published articles there are articles in the highest physics journals, but also in the Russian newspaper: World of Orthodoxy. There is no need to be surprised and demand a public renunciation of faith: I am in the company of such faithful physicists as Newton and Einstein, and other Nobel laureates.

It is rude trolling to say a member of RF, that he has lied about his religious status. Look up my status: Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

Methinks you need to revise the definition of fact.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Facts: 1. The satan is very good at logic when it helps him to do evil. 2. There are two gods: satan and Jesus Christ. And a god can only be killed by another god.

Where is your evidence for these supposed 'facts'? Looks like blind faith to me.
Therefore (from facts 1 + 2)...

Since you haven't established them as facts, continuing from them is pointless.
 

Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
Facts: 1. The satan is very good at logic when it helps him to do evil. 2. There are two gods: satan and Jesus Christ. And a god can only be killed by another god.


Therefore (from facts 1 + 2): it is impossible to logically refute Darwin's Theory of Evolution. Each person has two gods, and satan does not want to part with Darwin's atheism. How to fight? God (satan) will be killed by another God (Jesus), so we must emphasize that science has a (negative) relationship to religion. Emphasize that religion lends itself to logical analysis.

Undecisive Information Loss Paradox

A. The conservation of information is the basis of Quantum Physics.
B. The Hawking Radiation (evaporation of black holes) was
discovered using Quantum Physics.
C. Due to Hawking Radiation, there is a "loss of information" paradox.

I see a contradiction in putting together the facts A+B+C.

Therefore, we can not be sure, that there is Hawking Radiation,
until the loss of information paradox is not resolved.
But without confidence in the existence of Hawking Radiation,
we have no confidence, that information loss happens.
The problem can not be correctly formulated.


ABOUT THE AUTHOR:

I can prove to all skeptics that this is my biography:
CV: Dmitri Martila (etis.ee)
After all, there are my contact details, and in the list of published articles there are articles in the highest physics journals, but also in the Russian newspaper: World of Orthodoxy. There is no need to be surprised and demand a public renunciation of faith: I am in the company of such faithful physicists as Newton and Einstein, and other Nobel laureates.

It is rude trolling to say a member of RF, that he has lied about his religious status. Look up my status: Eastern Orthodox Christianity.
Satan is not a God.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Satan is not a God.

I mean... to some of us Satan is a god.

Most might prefer terms like “demon”, “angel”, “archdemon”, “archangel” to describe certain powerful celestial/ heavenly or infernal/ chthonic beings in Abrahamic lore that are not God/ Allah/ YHVH, but others might view and experience them as lesser gods in the divine hierarchy.
 

Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
I mean... to some of us Satan is a god.

Most might prefer terms like “demon”, “angel”, “archdemon”, “archangel” to describe certain powerful celestial/ heavenly or infernal/ chthonic beings in Abrahamic lore that are not God/ Allah/ YHVH, but others might view and experience them as lesser gods in the divine hierarchy.
Then they would be wrong.

I'm not saying that there are not Beings who can be defined as Gods - but that title comes from Him who has authority to bestow it - not us.

Satan is no God.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Then they would be wrong.

I'm not saying that there are not Beings who can be defined as Gods - but that title comes from Him who has authority to bestow it - not us.

Satan is no God.


And I respect that position. No demon or angel even compares to God. But compared to us, mere human beings, I can understand why some might view certain angels or demons as lesser gods under the dominion of the highest and greatest God.
 

Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
And I respect that position. No demon or angel even compares to God. But compared to us, mere human beings, I can understand why some might view certain angels or demons as lesser gods under the dominion of the highest and greatest God.
We are greater than evil spirits and are kin of angels.

We are Gods.
 
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