Natural immunity appears to be stronger than immunity from vaccinations:

[ElishaElijah]

Rarely is a disease ever eradicated. They typically become
endemic rather than pandemic, eg, bubonic plague (which is
still with us....just not a big problem). Vaccination hurries the
process along with less death & infirmity than the natural way.
"Eradication" is a straw man argument, ie, an impossible &
irrelevant goal for anti-vaxers to argue against.

I’m not arguing eradication, I’m arguing that no amount of vaccination will control flu variants or stop infection.

 

[ElishaElijah]

@Revoltingest FYI- I’m not anti-vax, I’m looking at the coercion, suppression of other treatments, mandatory vaccine, the scare tactics, the dangers of the vaccines for people, the dishonesty of the CDC and others on the potential harm of the vaccines, dishonesty on the effectiveness of the vaccines. Where’s the honest discourse of the experts? It’s one sided and dissenters are silenced and lied about.

 

[ElishaElijah]

@Revoltingest - Don’t you have any concerns when athletes who have been injected with vaccines are now hospitalized and can’t play sports anymore as a result? Who is liable for the damages since we are mandating this? It’s wrong

 

[Revoltingest]

I’m not arguing eradication, I’m arguing that no amount of vaccination will control flu variants or stop infection.

Wrongo pongo about the control.
Incomplete control is still control...& useful.

Avoid the anti-vaxer rationale that anything less than perfect is useless.

 

[Revoltingest]

@Revoltingest FYI- I’m not anti-vax, I’m looking at the coercion, suppression of other treatments, mandatory vaccine, the scare tactics, the dangers of the vaccines for people, the dishonesty of the CDC and others on the potential harm of the vaccines, dishonesty on the effectiveness of the vaccines. Where’s the honest discourse of the experts? It’s one sided and dissenters are silenced and lied about.

I'm not a fan of coercion.
It should only be employed when very useful,
eg, enforcing food preparation safety regulations,
licensing doctors, & controlling pandemics.

Side effects of vaccines is not being censored.
Go to Johns Hopkins to find much such info.
But some people should be silenced. Do this by
social pressure for some, & official sanction for
licensed professionals who dispense dangerous
false info.

 

[Revoltingest]

@Revoltingest - Don’t you have any concerns when athletes who have been injected with vaccines are now hospitalized and can’t play sports anymore as a result? Who is liable for the damages since we are mandating this? It’s wrong

My concern is more global. What is the best way to
minimize death & infirmity from Covid 19? Vaccination
against it is far far less risky than contracting the disease.

As for anecdotes about athletes....do you have one too offer?
Would you say that a small risk of vaccination side effects
offsets the greater risk of getting Covid 19?

About liability for disclosed & rare side effects....ya buy
yer ticket, & ya takes yer chances. Still better than the
greater risk of dying of Covid with tubes in every orifice.

 

[ElishaElijah]

About liability for disclosed & rare side effects....ya buy
yer ticket, & ya takes yer chances. Still better than the
greater risk of dying of Covid with tubes in every orifice.

Are you unaware of other options other than vaccines?

Doing nothing when people contracted Covid and sending them home is what caused a lot of deaths. The data doesn’t support vaccines for young people and yes the side effects don’t justify the vaccine for those people.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I'm not a fan of coercion.
It should only be employed when very useful,
eg, enforcing food preparation safety regulations,
licensing doctors, & controlling pandemics.

Side effects of vaccines is not being censored.
Go to Johns Hopkins to find much such info.
But some people should be silenced. Do this by
social pressure for some, & official sanction for
licensed professionals who dispense dangerous
false info.

What’s the false information you’re referring to?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Wrongo pongo about the control.
Incomplete control is still control...& useful.

Avoid the anti-vaxer rationale that anything less than perfect is useless.

What you’re missing is you’re comparing previous vaccination for ex. A tetanus shot every 10 years compared to the current vaccine which you need a booster already within a year. This isn’t the case for natural immunity. Some people probably benefit from the vaccine but to assume it’s for everyone is completely wrong.

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you unaware of other options other than vaccines? View attachment 55270 Doing nothing when people contracted Covid and sending them home is what caused a lot of deaths. The data doesn’t support vaccines for young people and yes the side effects don’t justify the vaccine for those people.

The data also don't defeat arguments for vaccination.
It's just data....& not much of it.

 

[Revoltingest]

What’s the false information you’re referring to?

Some doctors tout Ivermectin as a cure for Covid 19.
There's no epidemiological evidence for this.
But people have latched onto it as a miracle cure,
& wound up being treated for over-doses.

One of those docs is also being prosecuted for the
Jan 6 insurrection. A real class act, eh.

 

[Revoltingest]

What you’re missing is you’re comparing previous vaccination for ex. A tetanus shot every 10 years compared to the current vaccine which you need a booster already within a year. This isn’t the case for natural immunity.

It isn't known that we need yearly boosters for Covid 19.
However, if we do, this doesn't make vaccination useless.
Natural immunity isn't forever either, eg, chicken pox.
So I just got my shingles vaccine last week.

Some people probably benefit from the vaccine but to assume it’s for everyone is completely wrong.

That's not the assumption...it's that vaccination is beneficial for most.
In a population, which are "most" isn't known. So it's best to vax all
(with some exceptions for genuine medical reasons).

 

[ElishaElijah]

The data also don't defeat arguments for vaccination.
It's just data....& not much of it.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Some doctors tout Ivermectin as a cure for Covid 19.
There's no epidemiological evidence for this.
But people have latched onto it as a miracle cure,
& wound up being treated for over-doses.

One of those docs is also being prosecuted for the
Jan 6 insurrection. A real class act, eh.

There has been false reporting on Ivermectin and there is Ivermectin for human use and there is Ivermectin for animal use that we use for goats. Which overdoses of Ivermectin were you referring to because one that I saw was debunked. Ivermectin for humans is made different than for animals and different dosages.

 

[Revoltingest]

View attachment 55272

Offering data with no analysis, eh.
One of the many problems with such minimal
info is that there's no comparison between the
severity of Covid 19 for vaxxed vs unvaxxed.
That's the tip of the iceberg.

Analyzing data results in different conclusions.
Ref...
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc...ore-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html
Excerpted...

• Unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, according to a CDC study released Tuesday.
• The new study also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than vaccinated people.
• The data is in line with comments from federal and state health officials, who have been saying for weeks that millions of unvaccinated Americans have been putting themselves at serious risk.

 

[Revoltingest]

There has been false reporting on Ivermectin and there is Ivermectin for human use and there is Ivermectin for animal use that we use for goats.

About falseness....
Your statement is misleading because it speaks of Ivermectin use
as legitimate in the context of Covid19. But Ivermectin is approved
for parasites, not Covid 19. Even its maker, Merck, denies that it
has any evidenced efficacy for Covid 19.

Which overdoses of Ivermectin were you referring to because one that I saw was debunked. Ivermectin for humans is made different than for animals and different dosages.

The danger in doctors & others pushing Ivermectin to people
vulnerable to fringe "science" is that they go off the deep end,
& go to Tractor Supply for apple flavored Ivermectin paste.
This causes poisoning, false hope, & eschewing real treatments.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have the data to prove that if 100% of the people were vaccinated we would eradicate Covid and not need booster shots?

Oh my! Logical fail.

I have data that indicates it could happen. And even if we did not eradicate it you are still wrong. I have data that without a doubt that the vaccines save countless lives. Jesus would have told you and others to get a shot.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Time has a way of exposing the vaccine results, we are seeing it now with the variants, well known doctors like Mercola and McCullough sounding the alarm on the long term affects of the vaccines and how the vaccinated still carry, spread and are affected by Covid.
Selecting Viruses for the Seasonal Flu Vaccine

Influenza is always changing and why it’s a fallacy to believe Covid will be eradicated by vaccines IMO and has nothing to do with unvaccinated people.

Your inability to understand how vaccines work does not prove anything. And Covid is not influenza. We have eradicated viruses. Once again you use your favorite Black and White logical fallacy. Just because we have not eradicated one virus does not mean that we cannot eradicate others. And I would be wrong if I used smallpox as an example that we definitely could get rid of it. The smallpox virus tells us all that we could be successful. It does not guarantee it. But once again, even if we do not get rid of it vaccines still save lives. Countless lives.

Why do you support people dying for no good reason?

 

[ElishaElijah]

About falseness....
Your statement is misleading because it speaks of Ivermectin use
as legitimate in the context of Covid19. But Ivermectin is approved
for parasites, not Covid 19. Even its maker, Merck, denies that it
has any evidenced efficacy for Covid 19.

The danger in doctors & others pushing Ivermectin to people
vulnerable to fringe "science" is that they go off the deep end,
& go to Tractor Supply for apple flavored Ivermectin paste.
This causes poisoning, false hope, & eschewing real treatments.

Who is doing that? What I’ve seen is Ivemectin for human use and Hydroxychloriquine with zinc and certain vitamins prescribed by your doctor and has worked in the early stages of Covid.

 

[Revoltingest]

Who is doing that? What I’ve seen is Ivemectin for human use and Hydroxychloriquine with zinc and certain vitamins prescribed by your doctor and has worked in the early stages of Covid.

What's the source of info....any epidemiological studies?

And really....continually justifying Ivermectin to treat Covid 19
by saying it's approved for human use is ridiculous. Many
drugs are approved for human use. Would you treat Covid 19
with Viagra, Xanex, Humira, or Antabuse? They too are
approved for humans.

Vaccination is useful...
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