No more babies being delivered at NY hospital

[Unveiled Artist]

Well protect yourself and avoid being in public except when you have to. There are many unvaxxed people who are exposed to Covid and then have huge regrets about.


It could be you if you catch Covid and have to get hospital care.

We are All exposed to COVID and we all can catch it. Anyone who gets sick from COVID and need to be hospitalized should. No checks at the door:

Did you vax? No?
Sorry you can't breathe. We can't help you. Move on.

Did you vax? Yes?
I know you have minimal symptoms and just need to isolate. Let's check you out first. Come on in.

People.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Your doctor dialogue is too simplistic for a regular doc appt (in the US). A good doctor wouldn't just "encourage" if you came there for reasons concerning your health and healthcare decisions. They'll have a full discussion.

That wasn't the only thing discussed. It was closer to the end of that appointment.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

@Shadow Wolf


CDC expert isn't my doctor. That's my point.

And my point is doctors do turn to sources like the CDC. And they should utilize it as one of their resources.

 

[F1fan]

CDC expert isn't my doctor. That's my point.

Unless you have a witch doctor they are going to defer to the experts in pandemics and public health.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Karma? What does karma have to do anything? I haven't gotten one of those vaccines and I'm not sick at all, and never was. I can't even recall the last time I've had any sort of virus. Why should I be punished for anything?

And who cares about hospital beds when there's not going to be much hospital staff with these mandates.

And you are part of the problem due to your ignorance. This should not be so hard to understand. You have not gotten sick. Guess what? MOST people have not gotten sick due to the measures that have been taken. Even so during outbreaks the hospitals have been overwhelmed at times and people have died that would not have died if that were not the case. There is only so much care to go around.

And you have not gotten sick, You don't know if you will get sick. You really have no control over that. And worse yet you could be contagious for up to a week before you knew that you were sick. You could have it right now and may be spreading it to your loved ones without knowing it. Now the odds are that you don't. That is why even if a person is not sick that we need to wear masks and observe social behavior. Your right to swing your fist ends at other people's noses and that is 6 feet away today indoors and wearing a mask. When people get the vaccine they are much less likely to catch the disease and spread it around That is why in some states they have vaccine mandates not only for certain jobs, but for certain events. If you get the vaccine and still get ill your odds go down by over a factor of ten and perhaps as much of a factor of 100 from dying of that disease. So a vaccine makes it safer for you and the people around you

If you do not want to get vaxxed then if you do not want to wear a mask then you would have to lock yourself up in the basement not to infringe upon the rights of others. Everyone has rights, including you. But your rights and the rights of others are limited when you pose a threat to others.

Do the Christian thing, Get vaccinated.

 

[F1fan]

We are All exposed to COVID and we all can catch it. Anyone who gets sick from COVID and need to be hospitalized should. No checks at the door:

Did you vax? No?
Sorry you can't breathe. We can't help you. Move on.

Did you vax? Yes?
I know you have minimal symptoms and just need to isolate. Let's check you out first. Come on in.

People.

No, you don't want to get Covid. You risk infecting others. The virus causes all sorts of negative affects on the body, sometimes permanent damage. You lose two weeks of work and incline. It may kill you. Going to a hospital is expensive, and puts demand on the healthcare system.

You seem to have this almost SIM-like thinking about all this, as if the real effects of Covid is like something you can turn off. I can't figure out what you are thinking and why you are working so hard to be vaccinated. Covid is vastly worse. You aren't being rational in any way. You're like the many others who didn't understand any of this until after the ton of bricks of Covid falls on them.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Unless you have a witch doctor they are going to defer to the experts in pandemics and public health.

You have to follow along the convo.

If CDC tells you to take Advil and your doctor said Asprin which would you pick?

Being mindful:

One choice doesn't exclude the other's effeciency.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No, you don't want to get Covid. You risk infecting others. The virus causes all sorts of negative affects on the body, sometimes permanent damage. You lose two weeks of work and incline. It may kill you. Going to a hospital is expensive, and puts demand on the healthcare system.

You seem to have this almost SIM-like thinking about all this, as if the real effects of Covid is like something you can turn off. I can't figure out what you are thinking and why you are working so hard to be vaccinated. Covid is vastly worse. You aren't being rational in any way. You're like the many others who didn't understand any of this until after the ton of bricks of Covid falls on them.

How did you get all this from my post?

Anyone can catch COVID.

 

[F1fan]

How did you get all this from my post?

Anyone can catch COVID.

And no one should want to. But it is easy since there are too many careless and irresponsible people walking around without masks in public. You don't seem to acknowledge that Covid is bad and we should work to minimize it so fewer catch it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

And my point is doctors do turn to sources like the CDC. And they should utilize it as one of their resources.

Yes. That doesn't excuse my point. It just means the doctor that's getting info from the CDC isn't using it in isolation.

As I said.
Healthy people most likely don't need to go to the doctors but ideally one should if it concerns them.

There's only but so much you can get from WHO without generalizing they're data to speak for your situation individually.

 

[F1fan]

You have to follow along the convo.

If CDC tells you to take Advil and your doctor said Asprin which would you pick?

Being mindful:

One choice doesn't exclude the other's effeciency.

Your scenario is not applicable. What's your problem, a headache? Perhaps Advil is best, but you have an allergy to an ingredient and your doctor knows this and suggests Aspirin. Both are correct. Your doctor has more specific advice.

None of this applies to a virus.

The CDC isn't saying take the Pfizer but your doctor say take Moderna. So what the hell are you trying to prove?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes. That doesn't excuse my point. It just means the doctor that's getting info from the CDC isn't using it in isolation.

As I said.
Healthy people most likely don't need to go to the doctors but ideally one should if it concerns them.

There's only but so much you can get from WHO without generalizing they're data to speak for your situation individually.

Hardly anyone is different enough for their situation to be fundamentally different enough for that information to apply.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

And no one should want to. But it is easy since there are too many careless and irresponsible people walking around without masks in public. You don't seem to acknowledge that Covid is bad and we should work to minimize it so fewer catch it.

I don't have an anxiety, over concerned attitude about it. I see no point in blaming people for they're health choices, so yes, in those respects I don't share the sentiment.

My point was that anyone can catch it vax or not. With new variants, unless you take out near half unvaccinated people (near half of US population) to reach herd immunity, it won't be overnight.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Your doctor has more specific advice.

This is my point.

 

[F1fan]

I don't have an anxiety, over concerned attitude about it. I see no point in blaming people for they're health choices, so yes, in those respects I don't share the sentiment.

My point was that anyone can catch it vax or not. With new variants, unless you take out near half unvaccinated people (near half of US population) to reach herd immunity, it won't be overnight.

Yeah, but people who aren't vaccinated are more likely to have a severe illness and be hospitalized, and perhaps die. All the vaccines do is give your body a head start in building antibodies to fight the virus when it gets in your body. The more virus you can destroy right away the better chance you'll have less severe illness.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Hardly anyone is different enough for their situation to be fundamentally different enough for that information to apply.

It depends. It's like you're trying to get the same answer to an equation because the formula is the same.

No one is debating the facts just your application of them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It depends. It's like you're trying to get the same answer to an equation because the formula is the same.

No one is debating the facts just your application of them.

Yeah, and the facts are very, very few people have a situation fundamentally different enough for that to not apply. You've not indicated you are among those few.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yeah, but people who aren't vaccinated are more likely to have a severe illness and be hospitalized, and perhaps die. All the vaccines do is give your body a head start in building antibodies to fight the virus when it gets in your body. The more virus you can destroy right away the better chance you'll have less severe illness.

Yes. I'm just saying it won't happen overnight.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yeah, and the facts are very, very few people have a situation fundamentally different enough for that to not apply. You've not indicated you are among those few.

How do you know?

This is a world pandemic. The more people, the less accurate our assumptions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How do you know?

This is a world pandemic. The more people, the less accurate our assumptions.

Because all you've ever said is you don't get out much and live where it'sless densely populated. That doesn't make you so different that the stuff doesn't apply. Even those places and people are not escaping covid.