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And another.....Texas anti-mask movement leader dies of COVID-19

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
1213 said:
I think there is a big difference between intentionally poisoning others and living normal life.
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I doubt that she intended infecting others.
But is intention what matters....or is it the danger posed?
No one can ever quarantine that he can't spread some disease. But everyone can stop putting intentionally poison to another person’s food. I think it is ok, if we have a law that tells don't murder. And it is ok, if there is a punishment for that. But intentional murder is very different than unknowingly have some mild disease and possibly spreading it.
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Unintentional wrongful killing shouldn't be allowed either.
Anti-vaxers are merely Covid Marys.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
1213 said:
Vast majority survive the disease. I also have had it and didn't die. It is folish to assume all die who get it. If I remember correctly, for people under 60, the probalitiy to die for it is less than 0,3%. So, if in some group that is much higher, there is something weird, in my opinion.
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You're changing the subject now.

My cousin died from it. He was in his early 40s. No pre-existing conditions.
My uncle did not die from it, but still suffers from long-haul COVID symptoms many months later.

That's the thing about COVID.

Anyway, the point we were discussing was your belief that there is some kind of conspiracy going on where anti-maskers are somehow being targeted and murdered (or something).
I'm trying to point out that people who don't follow health and safety protocols, probably aren't going to end up staying safe and healthy.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
1213 said:
I don't believe that. But, even if it would be true, it should be seen in relation to whole population (less than 0,3 % of US population). Also, at least here in Finland the average age to die for it has been 82, same as the life expectancy. It is probably about the same in all countries. Unfortunately, it is so that when person gets old, he probably dies. Preventing life from young people, because old dies, is in my opinion evil.
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Well, it's true whether you believe it or not.
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
SkepticThinker said:
...My cousin died from it. He was in his early 40s. No pre-existing conditions.
My uncle did not die from it, but still suffers from long-haul COVID symptoms many months later.
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Anyway, the point we were discussing was your belief that there is some kind of conspiracy going on where anti-maskers are somehow being targeted and murdered (or something).
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My condolences, it is sad to lose someone. And I am not denying that people can die to it. And there are many more reasons to die. However, for example about 54 million people are aborted annually. It is much more than Covid kills, still people don’t care much about the life of those 54 million. If abortion would be prohibited because of Covid deaths, then the situation could be more serious.

Also, I want to say, I can’t prove the “conspiracy”, so you don’t need to believe it. However, today we got another example of this phenomenon:

https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/09/14/anti-vax-campaigner-dies-of-covid-supporters-cry-murder/

I believe he was murdered.
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
Revoltingest said:
I doubt that she intended infecting others.
But is intention what matters....or is it the danger posed?

Unintentional wrongful killing shouldn't be allowed either.
Anti-vaxers are merely Covid Marys.
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I would call those who deny the working medicines Covid Marys. But, I think it is not only the intention that counts. If person mixes toxic to other persons food, it is not the same as having no symptoms, being healthy, and living normal life. I don’t think living normal life is the same as mixing poisons to others.
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Not wearing a mask, not distancing, and not vaccinating interferes with others in ways they didn't ask for.
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Interesting. I think breathing freely is life, which is human right and all though it might affect to life of others, it should not be restricted. Restricting it, is interfering others life. If person fears breathing, he should use mask or other protection, instead of being tyrannical fascist and restricting others life.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
1213 said:
Interesting. I think breathing freely is life, which is human right and all though it might affect to life of others, it should not be restricted. Restricting it, is interfering others life. If person fears breathing, he should use mask or other protection, instead of being tyrannical fascist and restricting others life.
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One can breathe freely with a mask on. They do not affect oxygen levels. Foolish people that do not know how to use CO2 detectors only demonstrate their ignorance with their tests. A fair test uses an oximeter. Those show no drop in O2 levels when wearing masks.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
1213 said:
Interesting. I think breathing freely is life, which is human right and all though it might affect to life of others, it should not be restricted. Restricting it, is interfering others life. If person fears breathing, he should use mask or other protection, instead of being tyrannical fascist and restricting others life.
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I'm wearing a mask now, breathing freely with hardly any obstruction.
You don't have a right to needlessly endanger others. That's what no mask wearing now is doing. Some of us want to get past this. Others refuse to let it happen.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
1213 said:
My condolences, it is sad to lose someone. And I am not denying that people can die to it. And there are many more reasons to die. However, for example about 54 million people are aborted annually. It is much more than Covid kills, still people don’t care much about the life of those 54 million. If abortion would be prohibited because of Covid deaths, then the situation could be more serious.
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Sorry, but I'm not interested in whataboutisms.

And I'm not going to compare embryos to fully developed, living breathing human beings with full lives, families and social connections.


1213 said:
Also, I want to say, I can’t prove the “conspiracy”, so you don’t need to believe it. However, today we got another example of this phenomenon:

https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/09/14/anti-vax-campaigner-dies-of-covid-supporters-cry-murder/

I believe he was murdered.
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Please tell me you're not like my uncle who actually believes that doctors and nurses want to kill us all for some unknown nefarious reasons.
It sure looks to me like he was on the receiving end of medical attention in a proper hospital.

Here's a question that comes to mind though, what does anyone have to gain from killing this man? Why would doctors want to kill him? And why do you actually think he was murdered?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
1213 said:
I would call those who deny the working medicines Covid Marys. But, I think it is not only the intention that counts. If person mixes toxic to other persons food, it is not the same as having no symptoms, being healthy, and living normal life. I don’t think living normal life is the same as mixing poisons to others.
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This isn't clear to me.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Shadow Wolf said:
I'm wearing a mask now, breathing freely with hardly any obstruction.
You don't have a right to needlessly endanger others. That's what no mask wearing now is doing. Some of us want to get past this. Others refuse to let it happen.
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Why are you wearing a mask now? (May ask?)
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Subduction Zone said:
Sorry, but as you use them they are not "human rights". The number one human right could be said to be "Your right to swing your arms ends at someone else's nose. You do not have the right to put others at risk.
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Get vaccinated. Risk minimized. End of story.

It's their business, not yours.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Shadow Wolf said:
I'm wearing a mask now, breathing freely with hardly any obstruction.
You don't have a right to needlessly endanger others. That's what no mask wearing now is doing. Some of us want to get past this. Others refuse to let it happen.
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Driving a car is needlessly endangering others.

Advice is to stay home where it's safe from now on.
 
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