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Missouri conservative group confronts student senator as he takes down and throws away flags from 9/

The Hammer

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One of my favorite examples of more recent times ...

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The point here?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
The point here?
That 'symbolic gestures' invite symbolic response gestures. And I personally think that's fair. If "A" wants to "speak his peace" (through a symbolic act) then "B" gets to comment on it (through symbolic act). Fair is fair; that's all I'm saying. And I like living in a society where people get to speak up, and to respond to those who speak up.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
I'm against American imperialism, too, although I think what this guy did was way out of line.
So it's terrible oppression if an employer makes staff call a transgender person by their chosen name, but a private individual exercising their freedom of political opinion by throwing away inanimate object in a matter that doesn't affect anybody is a line we shouldn't cross, and harassing them until they delete their social media account is good and just.

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They were left by someone else, though. They weren't his flags, and it wasn't his property they were left on.
Ah, okay, it was a property crime; now the outrage makes sense.

I suppose he could have gotten away with shooting somebody, but destroying property is violating the great taboo of capitalist religion, so it only makes sense that those inundiated with its tenets would cast stones at him for such blasphemy.
 
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Shadow Wolf

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So it's terrible oppression if an employer makes staff call a transgender person by their chosen name, but a private individual exercising their freedom of political opinion by throwing away inanimate object in a matter that doesn't affect anybody is a line we shouldn't cross, and harassing them until they delete their social media account is good and just.
It wasn't his to throw away or otherwise remove.
 

Stevicus

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So it's terrible oppression if an employer makes staff call a transgender person by their chosen name, but a private individual exercising their freedom of political opinion by throwing away inanimate object in a matter that doesn't affect anybody is a line we shouldn't cross, and harassing them until they delete their social media account is good and just.

I'm not sure why you're tying these two issues together.

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Ah, okay, it was a property crime; now the outrage makes sense.

I suppose he could have gotten away with shooting somebody, but destroying property is violating the great taboo of capitalist religion, so it only makes sense that those inundiated with its tenets would cast stones at him for such blasphemy.

I don't think he would have gotten away with shooting anybody.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
I'm not sure why you're tying these two issues together.
I was trying to employ a rhetorical figure frequently called a "comparison"; in it, two disparate items are being compared or contrasted to make a larger point about the both of them.

I don't think he would have gotten away with shooting anybody.
I mean, probably not if they were right-wingers; they'd have to be antifa or BLM.
 

Stevicus

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I was trying to employ a rhetorical figure frequently called a "comparison"; in it, two disparate items are being compared or contrasted to make a larger point about the both of them.

And that larger point would be...?

I mean, probably not if they were right-wingers; they'd have to be antifa or BLM.

It was merely a display commemorating the victims of 9/11.
 

Stevicus

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Well, no. You don't need flags to commemorate the victims of 9/11.

The flags were there to link the commemoration of 9/11 victims with patriotism or nationalism.

I wouldn't make that assumption. The president and former presidents spoke at 9/11 commemorations (with flags present and also wearing flag pins on their lapels), but I don't think they were trying to turn everyone into nationalists.

I suppose one can question anyone's motives for putting up a memorial or setting up flags, although I've noticed that much of the time, it's more neutral than anything else. Maybe it's sub-conscious patriotism where it becomes second nature.
 

lewisnotmiller

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We revere our flag (worship is reserved for God) because it actually stands for something, and because people fought and died defending what it stands for. I don't expect most foreigners to understand or do the same because not all flags are due such reverence.

Phhht.

My grandfather fought under the flag in Crete, Africa and Papua New Guinea. I reckon we have some understanding.

Thing is, he didn't fight for the flag...he fought for what the flag represents, for his family and for his mates.

If you start putting the flag before THOSE things it's not patriotism. It's jingoism.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I am not one for excessive demonstrations of patriotism but he stole property that was not his. There should be consequences.
Did he steal them or were they left abandoned? I'm not making a claim either way, but I see a lot of flags just left around the place after Anzac and Australia Day, and I doubt it's any different in the US. How long after you leave a flag somewhere is it reasonable to remove it? It also says in the US Flag code that flags are not meant to be left flying unattended after sundown, unless artificially lit, but a lot of people rage-frothing about disrespect of the flag seem to ignore that part. Not to mention that the flag is never to be worn as an item of apparel, but I digress...
 
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