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Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Yay or nay?


Former presidential and New York mayoral candidate Andrew Yang is set to launch a third party next month, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Yang is expected to start the party in conjunction with the Oct. 5 release of his new book, "Forward: Notes on the Future of Our Democracy."

It’s not clear what the name of Yang’s third party will be or how he plans to deploy it in 2022 or 2024. Yang and his team did not respond to requests for comment.

But the book’s publisher, Crown, did give some clues about the type of platform Yang may pursue. It writes that the book is an indictment of America’s “era of institutional failure” and will introduce “us to the various ‘priests of the decline’ of America, including politicians whose incentives have become divorced from the people they supposedly serve.”

The book is blurbed by businessperson Mark Cuban (“a vitally important book”) and The New York Times’ Kara Swisher (“Can there be another political party in the U.S.?...In Forward, Yang does not just give us a laundry list of intractable problems, but shows how we can find solutions if we think in new ways and summon the courage to do so.”).

Andrew Yang to launch a third party
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
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I didn't know there were only two. I've been voting for a non-party, apparently.

Also, does anyone think there should be an Andrea Yin that tries to abolish a party?
 

Stevicus

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Yay or nay?


Former presidential and New York mayoral candidate Andrew Yang is set to launch a third party next month, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Yang is expected to start the party in conjunction with the Oct. 5 release of his new book, "Forward: Notes on the Future of Our Democracy."

It’s not clear what the name of Yang’s third party will be or how he plans to deploy it in 2022 or 2024. Yang and his team did not respond to requests for comment.

But the book’s publisher, Crown, did give some clues about the type of platform Yang may pursue. It writes that the book is an indictment of America’s “era of institutional failure” and will introduce “us to the various ‘priests of the decline’ of America, including politicians whose incentives have become divorced from the people they supposedly serve.”

The book is blurbed by businessperson Mark Cuban (“a vitally important book”) and The New York Times’ Kara Swisher (“Can there be another political party in the U.S.?...In Forward, Yang does not just give us a laundry list of intractable problems, but shows how we can find solutions if we think in new ways and summon the courage to do so.”).

Andrew Yang to launch a third party


I guess he could call it the Yang Party.

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Valjean

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There are already fifty or sixty registered political parties. Yang should go to the end of the line, and not butt into third place.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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There are already fifty or sixty registered political parties. Yang should go to the end of the line, and not butt into third place.
3rd place is for Libertarians.
He wants to be as successful as we are?
Welcome to Irrelevantistan.
 

Stevicus

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They pale in comparison to Libertarian Party turnout.
So we're less dismal in our failure.

This was a party in Russia (now dissolved): Beer Lovers Party (Russia) - Wikipedia

Among its goals now is the "protection of interests of beer lovers that do not contradict to the Law". The party now stands for "efficient means for preservation of main natural resources, such as land, air, and especially water, which is the basis of a good beer". Among its official slogans were "Replete and Safe Life" ("Сытая и безопасная жизнь") and "Clever and Calm Politicians Grasping not only Beer". Its platform stated that the Party "will defend interests not only beer lovers, but also lovers of sausage, butter, meat, tea, kvass and other lovers, with the exception of lovers of power".

Actually, it sounds like they had a pretty decent platform. I guess Putin doesn't like beer.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There are already fifty or sixty registered political parties. Yang should go to the end of the line, and not butt into third place.
Registered. What's that?

Just a list made to appease.

There are actually only two ruling parties and steps had been taken to never allow even one additional party to gain any real inroads to having actual real power and influence in modern politics that affects the nation in any real way.

The Democrats and Republicans essentially decreed themselves to be the only true rulers of the US.
 

Valjean

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Registered. What's that?
Registered is what party your voter's card says you're affiliated with.

Just a list made to appease.

There are actually only two ruling parties and steps had been taken to never allow even one additional party to gain any real inroads to having actual real power and influence in modern politics that affects the nation in any real way.

The Democrats and Republicans essentially decreed themselves to be the only true rulers of the US.
Agreed.
 

Stevicus

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Good luck to him, but the American system doesn't support a credible third party.

This is true, although I sense that much of it comes from various notions which are prevalent among the voters and get discussed at every election. Mainly, it's the idea that people fear the other party so much that they believe a vote for a third party candidate is the same thing as voting for the party they hate and fear.

For example, in 2004, Democrats who supported Ralph Nader were being chided that "a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush." People who believe things like that and propagate such ideas are a significant part of the problem. It just goes to show that people tend to vote based on fear more than anything else.

Fear is the greatest enemy of democracy.
 

AlexanderG

Active Member
Our voting system just isn't structured to have more than two parties. To participate outside of the two party system is entirely ineffective.

There are different ways to structure voting that would certainly allow many different viable parties, but I don't see elected politicians in the US altering the voting system that brought them to power. Ever. Even if it lead to much more fair outcomes in the long term.

The US also isn't a democracy but a republic. The focus of representation is the States, not individual citizens, and this is what's causing so many undemocratic outcomes in the US lately.

For reference, here is a list of some alternative voting systems.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Really.

Its intentionally and purposely rigged now to only Democrats and Republicans as the only ruling two party monopoly.

If Yang could ever pull it off, I'd be genuinely impressed.
Sure, sure...Dems & Pubs do their best to exclude
competition. But if voters really want something
different, options are there. But do they really
want different when they keep voting as they do?
 

The Kilted Heathen

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Our voting system just isn't structured to have more than two parties. To participate outside of the two party system is entirely ineffective.
Our voting system is entirely structured to have more than two parties, but it's this mentality that is spread like Covid that keeps us back. Notions like the Democrats this past election, shaming people not to vote Third Party because "this isn't the time for that", "it's not the time to be selfish". There will never be an apt time for people like that. There will always be a Great Evil to politically defeat, and a reason to shame people into the nightmarishly ineffective Two Party system.
 

lewisnotmiller

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This is true, although I sense that much of it comes from various notions which are prevalent among the voters and get discussed at every election. Mainly, it's the idea that people fear the other party so much that they believe a vote for a third party candidate is the same thing as voting for the party they hate and fear.

For example, in 2004, Democrats who supported Ralph Nader were being chided that "a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush." People who believe things like that and propagate such ideas are a significant part of the problem. It just goes to show that people tend to vote based on fear more than anything else.

Fear is the greatest enemy of democracy.

There is an element of truth to that in a first past the post system, though.

Having a number of democrats shift their vote to a minority candidate quite possibly does little to.win seats for that candidate AND weakens the democrats by splitting off some of their votes.

Proportional or preferential systems have some inherent protection against this.
 
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