Pretribulation rapture

[filthyrottendirty]

True or false?

 

[sun rise]

False. No rapture. No "pretribulation"

 

[RabbiO]

True or false?

You might want to move this to the same faith debate subforum since, obviously, it’s a question really of interest to only Christians.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

False. No rapture. No "pretribulation"

Sheesh, sunrise stated my thoughts to perfection.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

What’s with these weird “end times” ideas that so many people desperately look forward to?

Is it that they cannot coexist in a world full of people who think and look different from them?
Is it because they are looking forward to being raptured, while all the rest of humanity suffers unspeakable tortures?
Is it because they look forward to “reigning” over all those “other people”?

It’s all nonsense, imo. (In case you couldn’t see that)

 

[Trailblazer]

New What’s with these weird “end times” ideas that so many people desperately look forward to?

Look around, watch the TV news, we are already IN the end times, have been for some time.
The end times is the end of an age and the beginning of a new age, not the end of the world.
I don't look forward to the end of the world but I do look forward to the beginning of a new world order.

 

[Kenny]

True or false?

From my understanding, there are scriptures that suggest pre-trib, mid-trib, and after-trib rapture.

My understand is that it is because there are more than one rapture.

Much like there are suffering Messiah and reigning Messiah scriptures.

So, if all you look at is one set of scriptures, you can validate your position. Much like the difference between Jewish people and Messianic Jews is simply what scriptures you are looking at.

IMHO

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It doesn't really have much Biblical basis, it's mostly an American Evangelical Protestant thing, it isn't understood or known in older forms of Christianity, and it doesn't have much a presence or mentioning before the 19th century.

 

[CG Didymus]

Look around, watch the TV news, we are already IN the end times,

Yes, if this isn't the end time tribulations, when will it be?

From my understanding, there are scriptures that suggest pre-trib, mid-trib, and after-trib rapture.

And if these are the tribulations, and the Christians are still here, then that rules out pre-trib.

 

[Kenny]

Yes, if this isn't the end time tribulations, when will it be?

And if these are the tribulations, and the Christians are still here, then that rules out pre-trib.

Not necessarily....

If there is a pre-trib, there are still people accepting Jesus as Lord and, thus, there are still Christians present even if a first boat-load leaves.

It would explain the why as to this scripture:
Rev 14:6-7 Then I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, holding the everlasting Gospel to proclaim to the inhabitants of the earth—to every nation and tribe and language and people. He was crying in a loud voice, “Reverence God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment has come! Worship him who made Heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”

Usually it is delegated to the Christian to preach the Gospel, but if a first load goes up pre-trib, it would explain why there is now an angel doing it.

Not to mention, I would assume that if there was a pre-trib rapture, there would be many on the fence post of "I really doubt it" camp would move to the "I don't doubt it and now I know there is a Jesus who died for us" camp.

 

[RabbiO]

Much like the difference between Jewish people and Messianic Jews is simply what scriptures you are looking at.

I thought this would be gentler than a face palm emoji.

 

[Kenny]

I thought this would be gentler than a face palm emoji.

I was hoping I would resurrect you!

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, if this isn't the end time tribulations, when will it be?

Only God knows.

 

[Kenny]

What’s with these weird “end times” ideas that so many people desperately look forward to?

Is it that they cannot coexist in a world full of people who think and look different from them?
Is it because they are looking forward to being raptured, while all the rest of humanity suffers unspeakable tortures?
Is it because they look forward to “reigning” over all those “other people”?

It’s all nonsense, imo. (In case you couldn’t see that)

I'm not so sure it is about "looking forward to it". But it was exciting when we saw Israel being a nation again as foretold.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Look around, watch the TV news, we are already IN the end times, have been for some time.
The end times is the end of an age and the beginning of a new age, not the end of the world.
I don't look forward to the end of the world but I do look forward to the beginning of a new world order.

Nice to hear your thoughts.
Most Christians believe in the world ending.
I completely agree with your end times philosophy.
It is incredibly rare to hear that, though, as you probably know.
How did you come to that belief?

 

[stvdv]

What’s with these weird “end times” ideas that so many people desperately look forward to?

Once a student of my Master said to Him "I am willing to do anything for you, I am willing to die for you".

My Master deadly serious said "I don't want you to die for me, I want you to live for me"

 

[Brian2]

Look around, watch the TV news, we are already IN the end times, have been for some time.
The end times is the end of an age and the beginning of a new age, not the end of the world.
I don't look forward to the end of the world but I do look forward to the beginning of a new world order.

It would be good if Baha'u'llah began his era and we weren't still going through the end times for the previous era.

 

[rational experiences]

When I endured brain prickling irradiation gas burning fallout. Outside I saw black wisping burning and brown smoke.

Burning prickling effect made me want to scream. I could only run around the house hoping it would stop.

Then I saw human and all various types of ghost images appear. Move off floating then disappeared.

So I said okay attack sacrifice of life by occult science causes is real.

The chemical body changes included dreams where my body reacted in an ecstatic gained body feeling with uncontrolled bodily changes.

My visionary mind concepts changed into drugged like feelings until it disappeared. Common sense said that the cooling atmospheric effect had changed the attack

The only non natural life condition is humans controlling machines nothing like a planet transmits. Held control by human purpose.

So I would state yes humans before us attacked by the evil thought designs occult science human brother real as documented.

As if it happens to a human and had been pre documented as discussed not natural then it is happening again.

Stephen Hawking scientist sacrificed man life conscious aware warnings to science.

Versus being false science preached to that life's sacrifice human is acceptable...when you personally are not the victim.

Human mentality every life is only living as one human. The exact same information.

 

[Trailblazer]

It would be good if Baha'u'llah began his era and we weren't still going through the end times for the previous era.

We were not going through the end times of the previous era when Baha'u'llah began His era. The previous era was brought to a close with Muhammad who was the Seal of the Prophets and closed off the Prophetic Age. The the new era began when the Bab appeared in 1844. We are now living in the Age of Fulfillment, named as such because all the Bible prophecies will be fulfilled during this age.

 

[paarsurrey]

True or false?

With the advent of Second Coming/Imam Mahdi it has already started:

Holy War/ Rapture - the peaceful version- with reasons, arguments and peaceful dialogue

One will be taken aback to note that Armageddon or Rapture is nothing like as one would have imagined or known so far. It is not to be fought with any physical and destructive weaponry and or the lethal arsenal of the day. It is peaceful and in fact, I understand, it has already started and it is sown like a seed!

One aspect of it was a debate between the Pauline-Christianity (represented by Mr. Abdullah Atham) and the Second Coming 1835-1908 , that took place in Urdu language and was published then by the name “Jang-e-Muqaddas” in 1893 ( 22 May 1893 to 5 June 1893) in the then British India and has been recently translated and published in English by the name “The Holy War”:

The Holy War — A DEBATE BETWEEN ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY — Jang-e-Muqaddas (alislam.org)

Right?

Regards