Texas Law Banning Abortion After About Six Weeks Takes Effect

[Wildswanderer]

Fetuses are being aborted. Not babies. Take a course in basic English.

Nope. Fully functional babies are being aborted.

States that allow for late-term abortions with no state-imposed thresholds are:

• Alaska
• Colorado
• District of Columbia
• New Hampshire
• New Jersey
• New Mexico
• Oregon
• Vermont

1. And The earliest a baby has been born and survived is 21 weeks and 5 days.

So, even much earlier " fetuses" are babies. What else would they be?

 

[We Never Know]

I don't have to. You've made your position very clear.

Yes I did some research and made my position on how abortions could be 99% avoided. You on my opinion however haven't did much besides complain.

Here's my position again just in case you forgot....

These are 99% effective. That's more more effective than the vaccine.

Long-active reversible contraceptive (LARC) methods
You do not have to remember to take or use these methods. They have no user failure, so are not less effective with typical use.

• Contraceptive implant: more than 99% effective with perfect use. They work for 3 years, but can be taken out earlier. Fewer than 1 in 100 women using the implant will get pregnant in a year.
• Intrauterine system (IUS): more than 99% effective. An IUS normally works for 3 to 5 years depending on the type, but can be taken out earlier. Fewer than 1 in 100 women will get pregnant over the 3 to 5 years when using an IUS.
• Intrauterine device (IUD): more than 99% effective. An IUD can stay in place for 5 or 10 years depending on the type but can be taken out at any time. Fewer than 1 in 100 women will get pregnant in a year, depending on the type of IUD. Older types are less effective.

How effective is contraception at preventing pregnancy?

 

[ecco]

Nope. Fully functional babies are being aborted.

As I said...Fetuses are being aborted. Not babies. Take a course in basic English.

I realize it suits your agenda of fear to use the term "baby" to describe a fetus.

Do you realize that your own religion was OK with abortions up to certain gestational times?

 

[Friend of Mara]

It's not her body that is at stake here. It's the body of another helpless human.

And so the woman looses her bodily autonomy because of this? Should we force bone barrow transplants upon all people in case children need them? Should we donate our kidney's to be put on ice in the case a child needs it?

Women, as well as men, have a right to bodily autonomy.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Fetuses are never anything but people.
And the red herring rape issue is a silly excuse.
The baby is not to blame for how it's concieved.

There's nothing silly about it.
The fact that you'd say such a thing tells me you haven't thought at all about the consequences of your beliefs or of this new law and how it will actually effect peoples' health and lives.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Good luck if and when rights change.

You will have no place to go to.

I live in Canada, thankfully.
This hasn't been an issue for many decades now. We all have the right to bodily autonomy. We disagree with that Taliban on that one. And Texas.

 

[SkepticThinker]

A church or spiritual leader is not in complete charge so its not a theocratic nation, so this allusion of a state theocracy as a worst case scenario is very far fetched in a constitutional republic not designed for any religious sect or group to take complete control.

This abortion ban was pushed for and carried out by people from the religious right. It is their strongly held religious belief. And that religious belief is now being imposed on all Texans.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't like the survival outside the womb.

I'd like to see the cutoff when the fetus can first feel pain when it's being cut apart.

It's pretty much at the six to seven week stage.

Controversy: Can fetuses feel pain?

Did you read it?

"The neural circuitry for pain in fetuses is immature. More importantly, the developmental processes necessary for the mindful experience of pain are not yet developed. An absence of pain in the fetus does not resolve the question of whether abortion is morally acceptable or should be legal. Nevertheless, proposals to inform women seeking abortions of the potential for pain in fetuses are not supported by evidence. Legal or clinical mandates for interventions to prevent such pain are scientifically unsound and may expose women to inappropriate interventions, risks, and distress. Avoiding a discussion of fetal pain with women requesting abortions is not misguided paternalism21 but a sound policy based on good evidence that fetuses cannot experience pain."

 

[SkepticThinker]

You have quite the imagination.

It's not my study I 'made up'.

Ever view the Silent Scream? It's not pretty.

I've shown and was shown valid science sources on the matter, but I guess your in denial of legitimate science that affirms fetuses feel pain.

You didn't even read the article, apparently.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Wonderful clairvoyance skills here.

I guess abstracts sourced by Live Science does not hold adequate enough sway.

It's really your problem. Not mine.

Actually, it's yours. The study you cited doesn't support the beliefs and conclusions that you asserted.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You said: "pregnant women are not referred to as mothers."

Point of fact: yes, they actually are. It's a very common term.

I've been an expectant mother three times. You?

I was an expectant mother once. I had a miscarriage. I am not a mother now.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's not her body that is at stake here. It's the body of another helpless human.

Her body is also at stake. As well as her health and her life.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Obviously it applies to both genders. The man is the one who will earn the living for all his children and his wife.

Are you under the impression that it's the 1940s or something?

In most households these days, both partners work and "earn the living."

It means just that. Women have less sexual needs and they are less urgent as well.

That didn't really clarify anything.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Better yet, don't want children, don't have sex.

Even better idea:

All the guys get mandatory vasectomies before the age where they would be sexually active. Later, if they want to have kids, the vasectomy can be surgically reversed.

No unwanted sperm, no unwanted pregnancy. No unwanted pregnancy, no abortion... right?

 

[anna.]

I was an expectant mother once. I had a miscarriage. I am not a mother now.

I'm sorry for your loss.

You refer to yourself as being an expectant mother when you were pregnant, which supports my original statement. But I don't want to argue the point, centered as it is on your personal history.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm sorry for your loss.

You refer to yourself as being an expectant mother when you were pregnant, which supports my original statement. But I don't want to argue the point, centered as it is on your personal history.

My ex-wife and I tried to have kids. She had several first-term miscarriages.

On none of those occasions did her Catholic family - or even her priest - respond as if an actual baby had died.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I realize it suits your agenda of fear to use the term "baby" to describe a fetus.

It suits your agenda to ignore the fact that babies who could be safety delivered at that stage are being killed.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It suits your agenda to ignore the fact that babies who could be safety delivered at that stage are being killed.

Viability is a very strange place to draw the line on abortion. Effectively, you're arguing that because the fetus could survive outside the womb, it's entitled to remain in the womb.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And so the woman looses her bodily autonomy because of this? Should we force bone barrow transplants upon all people in case children need them? Should we donate our kidney's to be put on ice in the case a child needs it?

Women, as well as men, have a right to bodily autonomy.

They don't have the right to destroy the body of another deliberately. We arrest people for the exact thing that is done to the unborn.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Viability is a very strange place to draw the line on abortion. Effectively, you're arguing that because the fetus could survive outside the womb, it's entitled to remain in the womb.

Wow, and why is that a bad thing? He or she is a human being. Killing him is murder.