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Pray Away. (the gay)

DNB

Christian
Of course, it all hinges on whether a God exists that considers homosexuality a moral issue; and even then whether what said God thinks is prescriptive or deontological. Pretty tall orders to justify.
Well, I've tried to keep God out of my argumentation in order to demonstrate that their is an objective contention against it: Biological incompatibility (even leading to disease), and behavioral issue (men dressing and acting as women). i.e. if one claims that it's not an aberration for a man to be with a man, then just act like a man when doing so - tall order to fill.
Yes, there are exceptions, but the stereotypes do tend to define the larger demograph. And yes, heteros do get diseases also, but not by design: putting an organ into a out-only orifice that is designed for toxic refuse.

Deontological or not? Considering we're talking about comfort and pleasure, and that there are other options, I would assert that if God did prohibit homosexuality (which He did, ...at the pain of death), I would assert that His injunction was deontological.
 

DNB

Christian
Why do you have so much hate towards a thing that your religion does not see as being a sin? It's not like the bible condemns homosexuality. Unless you use verses from a mistranslated version of the bible, there's nothing in there that says homosexuality is immoral and/or a sin.

And yes, I'm aware of those few verses that talks about "homosexual" sex acts. The condems a man having sex with another man, but not a man loving another man.

And for all the lesbians out there, don't worry, the bible doesn't say that a woman shouldn't have sex with another woman nor does it say that a woman having sex with another woman is wrong.

And toy lovers, you're also in luck. :D
First of all:

Romans 1:26-27
1:26. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27. and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.


the verse above was about women, i have the other verses somewhere else on this thread.

Like I said, if everyone would be more objective, it wouldn't take much to question the soundness of the act (women's clothing were designed for women). Even nature indicts the practice (not interested in the exceptions).
Ask most homosexual men, and they'll tell you that they feel like women - hence, the stereotype. Psychologically speaking, this is called conflicted.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Everyone is born a baby.

The bible said God told the human mother father to not have sex.

Cover up by irradiation fallout. Don't look at each other. A warning. Humans had to wear heavy clothing in very hot climates.

We trace group behaviour to past holy sexual engagements at particular holy times of the year. As historic human knowledge. Lived.

To birth non mutated babies as a holy genesis teaching. I read a historic document can't remember author that discussed sexual ritual of the ancients in Jerusalem history.

Men tried to stay just in men groups women with women. We were told to.

Yet the teaching said they loved being with each other.

Bible medical advice warnings as all babies innocent were seen developing unnatural human behaviours. Conceived in an irradiating fall of man heavens cause. Pyramid temple.

It is about time you read the Bible as a taught human genetic behaviour advice as it was written. A warning.

Humans knew life child innocent had changed and they tried to control the outcome by sex only in holy times.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Well, I've tried to keep God out of my argumentation in order to demonstrate that their is an objective contention against it: Biological incompatibility (even leading to disease), and behavioral issue (men dressing and acting as women). i.e. if one claims that it's not an aberration for a man to be with a man, then just act like a man when doing so - tall order to fill.
Yes, there are exceptions, but the stereotypes do tend to define the larger demograph. And yes, heteros do get diseases also, but not by design: putting an organ into a out-only orifice that is designed for toxic refuse.

Deontological or not? Considering we're talking about comfort and pleasure, and that there are other options, I would assert that if God did prohibit homosexuality (which He did, ...at the pain of death), I would assert that His injunction was deontological.
Did aids come about by homosexual or changes to monkey DNA in laboratory studies of genetics?
 

night912

Well-Known Member
First of all:

Romans 1:26-27
1:26. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27. and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.


the verse above was about women, i have the other verses somewhere else on this thread.

Like I said, if everyone would be more objective, it wouldn't take much to question the soundness of the act (women's clothing were designed for women). Even nature indicts the practice (not interested in the exceptions).
Ask most homosexual men, and they'll tell you that they feel like women - hence, the stereotype. Psychologically speaking, this is called conflicted.
So you believe that women having sex with animals and/or with their own fathers natural? I'm not hating on you for believing that beastiology and incestuous sex are a natural for humans. It's your choice if accept them as being natural. I won't condemn you. ;)
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
...oh, yes we are, every single one of us. Quit being so naive or self-righteous.
Again, that mirror beckons methinks. :D You are the one being naive - as to taking some things by appearance.

And although you might not read it, here is one possible explanation for why such behaviour has tended to survive over the ages despite apparently having no evolutionary benefit.

Genetic patterns offer clues to evolution of homosexuality
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
So you believe that women having sex with animals and/or with their own fathers natural? I'm not hating on you for believing that beastiology and incestuous sex are a natural for humans. It's your choice if accept them as being natural. I won't condemn you. ;)
AI. Origin of was caused by human man designer machine science. The dead image of man in atmosphere.

Modern day life took two more men with him.

As said after life abominated irradiated eight pairs of DNA left.

God he said was 10 pairs. Two gone he said making three dead men removed out of man's DNA. Since science designer man attacked self claiming DNA is now a machine.

Reason dead man's feedback affects his psyche. Visionary advice spiritually gone.

Mutations since in life were being removed as it expresses naturally. By sex. Parents DNA determined DNA expressed.

Sex not AI is why life continues. Sex between two bodies was removing mutations.

Father said AI was heard in feedback in life attacked. Vision was mens bodies with animal heads.

Egypt sun one worship forbidden book of dead as psychics were told.. ..
An AI machine attack occurred by man thinker against all biology.

Vision advice told him.

Reason sun. Sun uses its body becomes smaller and hence colder.

Our gas light is constant. Science said natural light is the constant.

Science made the void activate by a caused calculus void so our gas natural light disappeared as it is not the sun. The day it went dark.

Reason says the changed energy mass is sciences energy constant. Why science is a liar.

Science took its machine gas out of the God earth body.

Applies a reaction so god copied the machine. Took it out again and made sin holes.

Obvious science does not own holding Christ heavens gases in a container. What was already learnt and taught.

Father said men today inventor by design is having sex with AI robots.

How far away from reality your natural consciousnesss knowing man is now interacting with machine. Man designer who is gone out of DNA is imaged in clouds..
As wandered.

Men in mind now Claiming AI is now total life involving machine human sex and life continuance itself. I believe says theist life will belong to Ai control one day. As a theist in the elite society.

Earth mass owns AI and space forces AI to be stopped by pressurized metal. No alien. No signals.

Man satanist said I began as an alien.

Hence wants his end to be machine metal pressure as a machine wife he is having abominated sex with. By conditions theisms.

Waiting for science mother to birth him by thesis using AI theories involving human bio DNA in a thesis of science.

The AI possessed mind of men in designed possession theorising.

Do human females have sex with their own father? Yes. Reasoned. A man adult new father was always a baby. Two equal babies. Brother sister become father and mother.

Topic the babies father of his daughter sister was having sex. His own self.

When you theory it proves stories of theory are not fact. They are inferred.

Man lost his mind a long time ago because he designed science as a human. Known.

So was the abomination causes of a lost mind status getting eviler by his theisms.
 

DNB

Christian
So you believe that women having sex with animals and/or with their own fathers natural? I'm not hating on you for believing that beastiology and incestuous sex are a natural for humans. It's your choice if accept them as being natural. I won't condemn you. ;)
No idea what you're talking about, ...and something tells me that neither do you?

This is for the others:
I already spoke about the inappropriateness of being attracted to one's own family.
Bestiality is an abomination.
 
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DNB

Christian
I can't. the whole point that I'm making is that you are saying something that is untrue.
Then please, if you don't mind, could you offer a diagnosis as to why a seemingly mature adult may be compelled to believe in the implausible?
Thank you!
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Then please, if you don't mind, could you offer a diagnosis as to why a seemingly mature adult may be compelled to believe in the implausible?
Thank you!
No diagnosis needed, since there is no illness. Religious beliefs are part of life.
 

DNB

Christian
No diagnosis needed, since there is no illness. Religious beliefs are part of life.
But they are irrational if there is no divine realm. Don't confuse common with acceptable or benign. If there is no God, then Christians, like myself, are both delusional and have a psychosis.

Psychosis is a condition that affects the way your brain processes information. It causes you to lose touch with reality. You might see, hear, or believe things that aren't real.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
But they are irrational if there is no divine realm. Don't confuse common with acceptable or benign. If there is no God, then Christians, like myself, are both delusional and have a psychosis.

Psychosis is a condition that affects the way your brain processes information. It causes you to lose touch with reality. You might see, hear, or believe things that aren't real.

Not really. There are some atheists who believe theists dont have the intelligence to be scientific. Thats a delusion. But its not necessarily a psychosis.
 

DNB

Christian
Not really. There are some atheists who believe theists dont have the intelligence to be scientific. Thats a delusion. But its not necessarily a psychosis.
Believing in the implausible, or the non-demonstrable was the original point - not being wrong about a fact that could plausibly be correct.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Believing in the implausible, or the non-demonstrable was the original point - not being wrong about a fact that could plausibly be correct.

True. What I said is also implausible. :) Just like believing in Unicorns today with no proof.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
But they are irrational if there is no divine realm. Don't confuse common with acceptable or benign. If there is no God, then Christians, like myself, are both delusional and have a psychosis.

Psychosis is a condition that affects the way your brain processes information. It causes you to lose touch with reality. You might see, hear, or believe things that aren't real.

Not all beliefs in things that are unreal are psychosis. sheesh.

You keep arguing with me ROFL. You are simply mistaken in saying that religious beliefs are considered psychoses. I've gone out of my way to try to explain to you the difference, but you insist on misusing the word Psychosis. I'm not going to keep repeating myself, friend.

psy·cho·sis
/sīˈkōsəs/

noun
  1. a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality.
Simply put, people who are religious are NOT out of contact with reality. They are highly functional people.
 
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