firedragon
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Thank you too for your nice reply
And also thanks for your informative OP
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Thank you too for your nice reply
And also thanks for your informative OP
So Kewatta's strategy was to go to smaller kingdom, tell them that we will annihilate you if you dont submit to us and give us your power, but if you submit, you are not plundered and you are all good. You live, we are just a little more powerful. So they go on doing this with all the kingdoms in the region, one at a time. Small to big. If you understand this methodology, this is exactly what the Taliban did.
Nevertheless, I would like to understand what you thing would be the next step. What can anyone do? I will truly appreciate your valuable insights and feedback.
This is opinion.
There is an old Indian classic about a guy called Mahawshadha and his opposing kings adviser called Kewatta. There was a war, and the story about Kewatta's war strategy is famous. Some time ago there were two telecommunication companies in the U.S, Ma bell and AT&T. Ma Bell was a smaller company but they gathered their market following this same strategy. This is such a big story that even in marketing it can be adopted.
So Kewatta's strategy was to go to smaller kingdom, tell them that we will annihilate you if you dont submit to us and give us your power, but if you submit, you are not plundered and you are all good. You live, we are just a little more powerful. So they go on doing this with all the kingdoms in the region, one at a time. Small to big. If you understand this methodology, this is exactly what the Taliban did.
Can you blame the U.S and Biden for this ultimate aftermath? Not so sure about that. I think they had to leave eventually, some day. Blaming game or not, one has to acknowledge what took place on ground. In the country, the Taliban is known to bring peace and that's exactly what they did earlier after the Russian departure. They bring peace and stability, but not prosperity and freedom. This has been their legacy, and those people who thought the new Afghan regime were all good in terms of freedom, there was war, bombs here and there, and corruption everywhere. Thus, the peasant type's who yearned for stability and freedom put their hand in the left and right hands of the Taliban. Done and dusted. This will never mean freedom. Maybe to some, but not to all. This is very well known. The Taliban played their game very well and the rest of the world watched TV and made their own juices based on the cordial provided therein.
The conspiracies behind the Opium, the oil pipe, and the trillions spent on the drain are all super tools to use for pleasure, but none of these bring anything to fruition now.
Nevertheless, I would like to understand what you thing would be the next step. What can anyone do? I will truly appreciate your valuable insights and feedback.
Peace.
The first thing is to take a step back and learn and to have that most impossible of virtues: patience.
We should not to jump to conclusions. I see assumptions, maybe correct and maybe not correct, that they are the same as they were 20 years ago. They seem to be promising different actions. Let's see what they really do first.
There have been various negative incidents in Kabul. Are these the result of policy or the actions of individual taliban with limited or no approval from the higher ups?
I also see people making assumptions about what "sharia" is to them now. 20 years ago people were focused on the execrable oppression of women. They claim they are not like that now. Let's see.
Another related thing we in the West can do is to understand what they mean by "sharia" and how it fits into the history of Islam and ideas of today's Muslims.
They claim they won't give safe haven to international terrorist groups. Let our actions be responses to whether or not they follow through with that promise or not.
We also have a lot of their financial assets locked up. We can simply let them know that we will take actions according to our ideals depending on what happens next there. If they truly don't repeat the hideous oppression of women and so forth, then let's recognize that by releasing the funds we have sequestered.
Perhaps, can't blame them for the aftermath, but you can blame them for selling people a bill of goods. Something Biden even today persists in.
I suppose you can blame us for buying it in the first place.
Yes, I think that is the point. 1000 years ago this seemed to have been the way, but I am glad here in the West we changed this. Unfortunately, IMO, some still do it in the ancient wayIndeed. An army of occupation won't fix it. People have just died falling off a plane they were holding on to, trying to escape the returning Dark Age.
It's a rock and a hard place. The West can't help, won't help (for the foreseeable) and won't be invited back any time soon. But, rather like North Korea, it's going to be hell for the inhabitants, particularly those who happen to be female or don't want to toe the line.Yes, I think that is the point. 1000 years ago this seems to be the way, but I am glad here in the West we changed this. Unfortunately, IMO, some still do it in the ancient way
I don't see imposing a certain life on others by force as peaceful. Although, if Afghan people are all Muslim and are used to such a life then maybe it's peace for them (hence IMO it's better that the West don't interfere, unless asked to help)
I have seen documentaries about children who were held captive in a sect their whole life, and 'felt' that all this was normal (not being allowed to choose and feel for yourself). And it took many years for them to get out of this.
I think, there should be a voting in Afghanistan, so, people decide if they want Taliban or not. So far it only seems, many Afghans were trying to scape from Taliban, and were scared of them.This is opinion.
There is an old Indian classic about a guy called Mahawshadha and his opposing kings adviser called Kewatta. There was a war, and the story about Kewatta's war strategy is famous. Some time ago there were two telecommunication companies in the U.S, Ma bell and AT&T. Ma Bell was a smaller company but they gathered their market following this same strategy. This is such a big story that even in marketing it can be adopted.
So Kewatta's strategy was to go to smaller kingdom, tell them that we will annihilate you if you dont submit to us and give us your power, but if you submit, you are not plundered and you are all good. You live, we are just a little more powerful. So they go on doing this with all the kingdoms in the region, one at a time. Small to big. If you understand this methodology, this is exactly what the Taliban did.
Can you blame the U.S and Biden for this ultimate aftermath? Not so sure about that. I think they had to leave eventually, some day. Blaming game or not, one has to acknowledge what took place on ground. In the country, the Taliban is known to bring peace and that's exactly what they did earlier after the Russian departure. They bring peace and stability, but not prosperity and freedom. This has been their legacy, and those people who thought the new Afghan regime were all good in terms of freedom, there was war, bombs here and there, and corruption everywhere. Thus, the peasant type's who yearned for stability and freedom put their hand in the left and right hands of the Taliban. Done and dusted. This will never mean freedom. Maybe to some, but not to all. This is very well known. The Taliban played their game very well and the rest of the world watched TV and made their own juices based on the cordial provided therein.
The conspiracies behind the Opium, the oil pipe, and the trillions spent on the drain are all super tools to use for pleasure, but none of these bring anything to fruition now.
Nevertheless, I would like to understand what you thing would be the next step. What can anyone do? I will truly appreciate your valuable insights and feedback.
Peace.
we will annihilate you if you don't submit to us and give us your power....this is exactly what the Taliban did.
Can you blame the U.S and Biden for this ultimate aftermath?
The conspiracies behind the Opium, the oil pipe, and the trillions spent on the drain are all super tools to use for pleasure, but none of these bring anything to fruition now.
Nevertheless, I would like to understand what you thing would be the next step. What can anyone do? I will truly appreciate your valuable insights and feedback.
Peace.
Yes, I think that is the point. 1000 years ago this seems to be the way, but I am glad here in the West we changed this. Unfortunately, IMO, some still do it in the ancient way
I think, there should be a voting in Afghanistan, so, people decide if they want Taliban or not. So far it only seems, many Afghans were trying to scape from Taliban, and were scared of them.
Bin Laden was considered the "where's Waldo" of terrorists. That is, any time there was a meeting of extremists and terrorists, there was bin Laden, somewhere in the picture....indicating many possible (but not provable) links to terrorism.
I have seen documentaries about children who were held captive in a sect their whole life, and 'felt' that all this was normal (not being allowed to choose and feel for yourself). And it took many years for them to get out of this.
Yeah, bin Laden's computers were full of pornographic material.There was an old joke at the time.
W Bush is giving a speech.
One of his men tap his shoulder and says "Sir, your wife is pregnant".
Bush replies: "Must be bin laden".
In your opinion, does Quran teach principles of democracy and agrees with democracy or it rejects it?The Taliban would not change their governance to a democracy. Maybe in the future. It could be an outcome.
Too early to do anything. Will Taliban be able to handle finances or become another North Korea? Will there be opponents joining together? What will be reaction of Taliban factions when Pakistan tries to interfere? How would they manage tribal and religious differences among Afghans (Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek, Aimaq, Turkmen, Baloch, Pashai, Nuristani, Gujjar, Arab, Brahui, Qizilbash, Pamiri, Kyrgyz, Sadat and others - Wikipedia; Shia, Sunni)? And how strict and cruel their Sharia law will be? Just wait and watch.
Yeah, bin Laden's computers were full of pornographic material.
In the country, the Taliban is known to bring peace and that's exactly what they did earlier after the Russian departure.