YHWH: Worship ONE GOD, not MANY GODS. Worship Me, alone!

[YoursTrue]

No, not at all. God doesn’t have blood. He is Spirit.

I am gobsmacked that you should even imagine, let alone write such a thing suggesting that ‘God’ gave his blood!! Even Jesus Christ didn’t have blood after his resurrection into an immortal body - and you think ALMIGHTY GOD: YAHWEH, had blood? Where? Why? (How embarrassing when you get to realise such a simpleton error!)

I’m not even going too far with trying to convince you as it’s a waste of effort. Just be sure to check it out elsewhere like in Ephesians 1:7 and elsewhere.The verse doesn’t state whom it is talking about - the reference to ‘God’ is that it is “GOD’s CHURCH”. The CHURCH is GOD’s, of which JESUS is the Head, and the believers are the body:

• “Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Saviour of the body.” (Ephesians 5:23)

Christ, Head of the Church (owned by GOD!) - the ‘body’ are the believers.

• “But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.” (1 Cor 11:3)

GOD is the head of Jesus Christ… I don’t see what you are showing me in the Romans and Corinthians verses. And as for ‘He who sat on the throne’… are you reading the same scriptures as the Christian Bible? JESUS, the lamb as though slaughtered, IS STANDING in front of the throne AMONG THE ELDERS… It is ALMIGHTY GOD:Yahweh; the Father, who is the one sitting on the throne:

• “And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful .… He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.“ (Rev 21:5…7)

Are ‘they that overcometh’ to be sons of ‘Him who sat on the throne’: Sons of GOD or sons of Jesus, the Lamb as though slaughtered:

• “Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders.” (Rev 5:6)

Who holds the ‘Scroll’?:

• “Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. (Rev 5:1)

The lamb:

• “He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.” (Rev 5:7)

The Lambs (Jesus Christ) takes the scroll from Him who sat on the throne! Jesus steps up and takes the scroll from YAHWEH: God.

By the way, Soapy, YHWH had one only begotten son. Jesus was the beloved. Came from heaven, went back to heaven.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Pardon me, but thinking about your concept of the spirit "God" in heaven and you say Jesus is God in the flesh, so if Jesus prayed to his heavenly father, why didn't he pray to the spirit within him instead? In other words, why didn't he pray to himself, in your opinion? Let me guess: Would you say Jesus was flesh and blood but his heavenly father was not, is that why Jesus did not pray to god within himself?

I have told you this over and over. The Messiah was both the Father and the Son. The Father is the eternal Spirit of God. The Son was the fleshly body he took on. It is not 2 different persons. The flesh was simply praying or crying out to the Spirit for strength to overcome, because flesh is weak.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

By the way, that Jesus is on the ruling seat does not mean he is God that gave him the power. Do you think it means that?

We will all stand before the judgement seat of Messiah. So he was the one on the seat judging in Revelation 20: and Revelation 21:5-7 and it says he is God.

The one on the throne said he was the Alpha and Omega. Same as was said in Revelation 22:12-13 which is clearly the Messiah. Once again proving he is God.

The Messiah also said he was the first and the last in Revelation 22:12-13. YHWH said he was the first and the last in Isaiah 44:6. So unless the Messiah is YHWH there is a problem. Because you can't have multiple persons that are the first and the last.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

By the way, Soapy, YHWH had one only begotten son. Jesus was the beloved. Came from heaven, went back to heaven.

The reason it says he came from heaven was because he was YHWH. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, but his own received him not... John 1:10-12

Question: Who made the world? Answer: God

Question: Who was the "he" that came to his own in the above verses? (Because whoever it was made the world.)

 

[Soapy]

By the way, Soapy, YHWH had one only begotten son. Jesus was the beloved. Came from heaven, went back to heaven.

Yawn!!

 

[Soapy]

We will all stand before the judgement seat of Messiah. So he was the one on the seat judging in Revelation 20: and Revelation 21:5-7 and it says he is God.

The one on the throne said he was the Alpha and Omega. Same as was said in Revelation 22:12-13 which is clearly the Messiah. Once again proving he is God.

The Messiah also said he was the first and the last in Revelation 22:12-13. YHWH said he was the first and the last in Isaiah 44:6. So unless the Messiah is YHWH there is a problem. Because you can't have multiple persons that are the first and the last.

‘First and Last’ just means ‘Only’.

Jesus is the ‘only lamb slaughtered for the redemption of mankind’.

Jesus is the ‘only true son of God’.

God is the ‘only true God’.

Yes, there is only one ‘First and Last’.

But take the context into account.

There are MANY firsts and Lasts BY THEIR CONTEXT!

Adam WAS THE FIRST but he didn’t LAST!

Jesus was the NOT THE FIRST to be born ‘Holy and sinless’ BUT HE WAS THE LAST!! The LAST ADAM!

Jesus is THE FIRST to be raised from the dead BY GOD… and he is THE LAST to be done so…. because all coming resurrections are BY JESUS… not God!

Interesting enough, the definition of ‘Dead’ used by the scriptures is that a person is ‘taken out of active participation in the physical world; body decaying but spirit “inert”, sleeping in the bosom of God’.

To a human Being, because the ‘dead’ person is no longer able to participate in the physical world, we take a dramatic view that the person is ‘GONE ETERNALLY’. The spiritual view is that the SOUL still exists but is inert… capable of being re-energised in the physical world when a body is available for the spirit to occupy. The existence of the spirit means that memories still exist of that person, that soul. However, if the Spirit is DESTROYED (and only God or an appointee of God, can destroy the spirit because it is a holy creation BY GOD alone!) then no memories will exist of that person, that soul…

 

[Soapy]

The reason it says he came from heaven was because he was YHWH. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, but his own received him not... John 1:10-12

Question: Who made the world? Answer: God

Question: Who was the "he" that came to his own in the above verses? (Because whoever it was made the world.)

The gospel of John is highly corrupted. It has been controversial since time immemorial!!

It is the only book where it claims that Jesus called himself ‘God’ … DESPITE there being no reason for the claim.

1. Jesus performed miracles …. Nothing wrong with that. Acts 10:37-38 tells that GOD anointed Jesus WITH HOLY SPIRIT AND POWER… and it is by this that Jesus ‘went about doing good and healing the sick!’ and raised up the dead.
2. Jesus walked on water,.. Yeah, and so did Peter!!
3. back at 1, the disciple and the apostles healed the sick and raised the dead… in fact ELIJAH AND ELISHAH raised the dead before Jesus did…
4. Jesus said, ‘I am’…. Whoa,…!!! I say ‘I am’ many many times… in fact in the very next chapter a man born blind who was madd to see said, ‘I am’….!!
5. Jesus said he was God because he was EQUAL TO GOD (oh dear,.. semantics gone out the window here!) … Jesus countered that saying that he did not call himself God but only said he was the ‘SON OF GOD’ (God was his Father!)… ‘how is that blaspheming!!!??’ he asked?

More….

No… not once is there any suggestion that Jesus was claiming to be God…

But, Trinitarians say nothing when the Jews said to Jesus: ‘You have a demon’. That should mean then that absolutely, Jesus is SATAN!

But of course he wasn’t!!! Common sense ruled there, eh!!!

 

[Brian2]

Ha ha ha… ‘All scriptures is inspired by God’… except the parts added or changed by corrupt mankind inspired by Satan.

Are you saying that the Septuagint is a corruption or are you saying that the New Testament, which used the Septuagint quote, is wrong because it used that Septuagint quote?

Additionally, Jesus says that ‘The Son can do nothing that he doesn’t first see the Father doing!’… So how did the Son CREATE ALL THINGS without first seeing the Father CREATE ALL THINGS?

John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Jesus does not usurp the authority of His Father but waits to see what His Father is doing and He can and does do everything that His Father does. This includes creating, raising the dead, judging and everything else.
Does the Father judge everyone and then Jesus do the same?
Jesus said that the Father judges no one.

 

[Brian2]

Isaiah 44:24 refutes what you say about the Son being with the Father during the creation. YHWH said he was alone and by himself.

All the scriptures must be in harmony. When you have a doctrine that contradicts with certain scriptures, then there must be something wrong with that doctrine.

God was the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and the Holy Spirit in the church. Not 3 different persons, but 3 different manifestations of the same God.

I don't see that Isa 44:24 refutes what I am saying.
Isa 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who by Myself spread out the earth,
This next passage is about the Son.
Heb 1:10 He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
To me that is saying that the Son was YHWH during the creation.
But of course that does not mean that the Father was not doing those things also. The Father is also YHWH.
We also know that the Spirit of God was there at the creation and we see that in Gen 1:2 when it says that the Spirit of God was moving on the waters.
John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed.
The Son does everything the Father does but does not do it in His own authority but waits to see what the Father is doing and does the same.

 

[Soapy]

Are you saying that the Septuagint is a corruption or are you saying that the New Testament, which used the Septuagint quote, is wrong because it used that Septuagint quote?

The NEW Testament has MANY CORRUPT verses. These corruptions are ALL attempting to create a TRINITY reading.

For instance, one translation has ‘GOD came in the flesh’… when it is clear that the word, ‘God’ is nowhere found in line of the verse and in fact refers to Jesus Christ.

It is such a reckless stupidity that it’s completely unbelievable that anyone should claim it as truth - yet Trinitarians do so… Point of Order: GOD is ALWAYS SEEN BY ANGELS. And GOD is SPIRIT without justification so there is no need for him TO BE JUSTIFIED in the spirit… and certainly GOD was not raised up to Heaven… since God never leaves his abode in Heaven.

Oh, and that incredibly crass insert saying:

• “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

How EMBARRASSING it was for the trinity troops when this verse was ‘OUTED’ as FAKE!!!

Really and truly.., if trinity was genuine there would be no need for attempts at creating the illusion that it is true!!! Duh!!!

John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Jesus does not usurp the authority of His Father but waits to see what His Father is doing and He can and does do everything that His Father does. This includes creating, raising the dead, judging and everything else.
Does the Father judge everyone and then Jesus do the same?
Jesus said that the Father judges no one.

You really need to go back to kindergarten and learn basis English.

IF the Father FIRST CREATES then how can the Son CREATE ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF. It is evident that whatever the Father first created in order to show the son how to create must take precedence over whatever the son creates thereafter… BUT that’s not what occurred because there is only ONE CREATION…

And what does ‘FATHER’, mean?

Does, ‘Father’ not mean:

• ‘He who creates’
• ‘He who gives life to something’
• ‘He who brings into being…’

So why isn’t Jesus called ‘Father’?

 

[Soapy]

This thread is getting more stupid in every trinitarian post.

Really and truly, I am understanding how strong the delusion is in trinity believers.

Satan divided against Satan…!

Trinity has as many version of itself as there are trinitarian believers! It’s no wonder each trinitarian denies what another trinitarian says when it’s pointed out to them that a trinitarian said this or that… ‘Oh no guv, I don’t believe that version of trinity. It’s nonsense… my version of trinity is the right one…’

This is what makes ‘Christianity’ such a target for debunkers when trinity claims Christianity for itself but expresses total nonsense as its ideology.

 

[Brian2]

Additionally, Jesus says that ‘The Son can do nothing that he doesn’t first see the Father doing!’… So how did the Son CREATE ALL THINGS without first seeing the Father CREATE ALL THINGS?

Do you think that the Son was there when the Father created all things and saw Him do that?

 

[Soapy]

Do you think that the Son was there when the Father created all things and saw Him do that?

Brian2, what nonsense are you asking me now?

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN A TRINITY… so how the heck are you asking me that stupid question?

Jesus, the Son, was TAUGHT BY GOD. He was ANOINTED WITH HOLY SPIRIT AND WITH POWER at his baptism!

Acts 10:37-38 says so absolutely clearly.

The ‘Do whatever the Father does’ means EXACTLY THAT … BECAUSE HE HAS THE POWER OF GOD GIVEN TO HIM BY THE FATHER:

• ‘All power and authority has been GIVEN TO ME’

When did Jesus say that he had been given all power and authority?

Was it not shortly BEFORE HE WAS KILLED ON THE CROSS!? And therefore had nothing to do with CREATING anything!??

 

[YoursTrue]

Yawn!!

Yeah, well, if you don't believe that Jesus came FROM heaven and went back TO heaven -- o well. (shrug)

 

[YoursTrue]

Brian2, what nonsense are you asking me now?

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN A TRINITY… so how the heck are you asking me that stupid question?

It's not a stupid question, btw, whether you do or don't "believe in a trinity..." It's a very good question.

 

[YoursTrue]

This thread is getting more stupid in every trinitarian post.

Really and truly, I am understanding how strong the delusion is in trinity believers.

Satan divided against Satan…!

Trinity has as many version of itself as there are trinitarian believers! It’s no wonder each trinitarian denies what another trinitarian says when it’s pointed out to them that a trinitarian said this or that… ‘Oh no guv, I don’t believe that version of trinity. It’s nonsense… my version of trinity is the right one…’

This is what makes ‘Christianity’ such a target for debunkers when trinity claims Christianity for itself but expresses total nonsense as its ideology.

You don't believe in a trinity you say, but you are certainly not explaining your beliefs very well. And ... hoping all goes well with you -- have a good evening.

 

[YoursTrue]

The NEW Testament has MANY CORRUPT verses. These corruptions are ALL attempting to create a TRINITY reading.

For instance, one translation has ‘GOD came in the flesh’… when it is clear that the word, ‘God’ is nowhere found in line of the verse and in fact refers to Jesus Christ.

It is such a reckless stupidity that it’s completely unbelievable that anyone should claim it as truth - yet Trinitarians do so… Point of Order: GOD is ALWAYS SEEN BY ANGELS. And GOD is SPIRIT without justification so there is no need for him TO BE JUSTIFIED in the spirit… and certainly GOD was not raised up to Heaven… since God never leaves his abode in Heaven.

Oh, and that incredibly crass insert saying:

• “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

How EMBARRASSING it was for the trinity troops when this verse was ‘OUTED’ as FAKE!!!

Really and truly.., if trinity was genuine there would be no need for attempts at creating the illusion that it is true!!! Duh!!! You really need to go back to kindergarten and learn basis English.

IF the Father FIRST CREATES then how can the Son CREATE ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF. It is evident that whatever the Father first created in order to show the son how to create must take precedence over whatever the son creates thereafter… BUT that’s not what occurred because there is only ONE CREATION…

And what does ‘FATHER’, mean?

Does, ‘Father’ not mean:

• ‘He who creates’
• ‘He who gives life to something’
• ‘He who brings into being…’

So why isn’t Jesus called ‘Father’?

Should we call you prince?

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't see that Isa 44:24 refutes what I am saying.
Isa 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who by Myself spread out the earth,
This next passage is about the Son.
Heb 1:10 He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
To me that is saying that the Son was YHWH during the creation.
But of course that does not mean that the Father was not doing those things also. The Father is also YHWH.
We also know that the Spirit of God was there at the creation and we see that in Gen 1:2 when it says that the Spirit of God was moving on the waters.
John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed.
The Son does everything the Father does but does not do it in His own authority but waits to see what the Father is doing and does the same.

Hi, Brian2. Many versions say in the beginning the Word (usually a capital W, although as many realize there were no distinctions in upper and lower cases in the early writings...) was, and the Word was God and the Word was -- WITH God. No matter how a person deciphers it, that's two. The Word God and the Word WITH God. (Two.)
Let's look at the King James for a moment, where it says:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
So -- the "Word," generally known to be the SON of God, was WITH God, and the KJV says as well that the Word was WITH God in the beginning. So those two verses tell us that the Word who was God was WITH God. Two. Therefore, one must conclude that -- ?? (I leave that up to you right now. )

 

[Soapy]

It's not a stupid question, btw, whether you do or don't "believe in a trinity..." It's a very good question.

No it’s not a ‘very good question’ - Brian knows I’m not trinitarian so IT IS a stupid question to ask me.

What you think; ask a man what it’s like to give birth to a baby … You think that’s a ‘very goid question’. What would the man say to that (‘I’m not a woman so it’s a stupid question to ask me!)

Brian has nowhere to go with his ideology and so only stupid question can come from his line if thought. Besides, in all honesty, I don’t think he was really asking. It was just a decisively poor comeback that I should have ignored but I chose to answer so as to add in what I did.

 

[Soapy]

Should we call you prince?

Answer me this:

Does, ‘Father’ mean:

• ‘He who creates’
• ‘He who gives life to something’
• ‘He who brings into being…’

If ‘Yes’, then why isn’t Jesus called ‘Father’ now!

Why is there a ‘Father’ (God, in fact) who created a Son? (Son of the Father / Son of God) and who has a Holy Spirit( Spirit of the Father / Spirit of God)

And why is he TO BE CALLED ‘Eternal Father’ after he takes his seat as Judge over the resurrection?