Does atheism lead to socialism?

[Lars]

Because if you dont have religious or alternative institutions to challenge the state. Then it essentially leads to the state getting full governship. And you rely more on state basis principles. Or am i wrong?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

There's not much connection between atheism and socialism on paper, if any. However, it's possible there's a few more percent atheists in the US that are Socialists rather than Capitalists. Wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Meow Mix]

Because if you dont have religious or alternative institutions to challenge the state. Then it essentially leads to the state getting full governship. And you rely more on state basis principles. Or am i wrong?

No. Atheism doesn’t specify any kind of philosophy of government and isn’t even a worldview. Atheists have worldviews, of course; but that’s beside the point.

 

[Secret Chief]

Or am i wrong?

I fear so, but welcome to the sand pit.

 

[Rival]

I believe you are wrong.

This,

Because if you dont have religious or alternative institutions to challenge the state.

Does not logically lead to this,

Then it essentially leads to the state getting full governship. And you rely more on state basis principles.

And there are many examples of states with state religions where the King or other Ruler took over institutions anyway. An example would be the way the Church of England works and the dissolution of the monasteries.

 

[Altfish]

Because if you dont have religious or alternative institutions to challenge the state. Then it essentially leads to the state getting full governship. And you rely more on state basis principles. Or am i wrong?

Why can't atheists challenge the state?

 

[Viker]

Because if you dont have religious or alternative institutions to challenge the state. Then it essentially leads to the state getting full governship. And you rely more on state basis principles. Or am i wrong?

No or yes you are wrong. A lot of socialists are atheistic. But atheism is devoid of any political or socio- economic philosophy in of itself. It's just a label for a motley crew of godless folk, nothing more.

 

[Rival]

Why can't atheists challenge the state?

I guess they don't believe in it. Lol.

 

[Justanatheist]

In the UK you can trace the labour movement as coming from religious organisations such as the Methodists

 

[SigurdReginson]

Atheists simply do not recognize that a god exists as literal beings. What does that have to do with government?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Because if you dont have religious or alternative institutions to challenge the state. Then it essentially leads to the state getting full governship. And you rely more on state basis principles. Or am i wrong?

You’re not even wrong.

 

[Altfish]

Because if you dont have religious or alternative institutions to challenge the state. Then it essentially leads to the state getting full governship. And you rely more on state basis principles. Or am i wrong?

How does religion challenge the state? Invading the Capitol?

 

[Lars]

United States is more a interesting comparison, since unlike Europe. It relies on Two Party system, which explains why they are easily more polarized on extreme political views. Where as in Europe its parties of whatever you ideologically agree with

"Socialism",
"Social Democrats(Labour party)"
" Religion"
"Left party"
"Right party"
"Anti Immigration Party"
"Center Party"

Those options dont really exist in USA.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Atheists simply do not recognize that a god exists as literal beings. What does that have to do with government?

Mighta impacted back in Roman times, when folks like Caligula declared themselves a deity.

More recently not so much. Although...

Spoiler

 

[Viker]

In the UK you can trace the labour movement as coming from religious organisations such as the Methodists

I knew a few Methodists who considered themselves Christian Marxists, here in the States.

 

[Rival]

United States is more a interesting comparison, since unlike Europe. It relies on Two Party system, which explains why they are easily more polarized on extreme political views. Where as in Europe its parties of whatever you ideologically agree with

"Socialism",
"Social Democrats(Labour party)"
" Religion"
"Left party"
"Right party"
"Anti Immigration Party"
"Center Party"

Those options dont really exist in USA.

Trust me, it's not as easy as that in Europe lol. The UK is pretty polarised.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because if you dont have religious or alternative institutions to challenge the state. Then it essentially leads to the state getting full governship. And you rely more on state basis principles. Or am i wrong?

I think that describing religion as an "institution to challenge the state" assumes a degree of secularism that generally isn't present in religious societies.

It's often the case that religion at the very least cooperates with the government or aristocracy, and in many situations the state church ends up being just one more way that the government or rulers can exercise control over the people.

 

[Viker]

Trust me, it's not as easy as that in Europe lol. The UK is pretty polarised.

We colonials have learned well from our Brit roots.

 

[Justanatheist]

I knew a few Methodists who considered themselves Christian Marxists, here in the States.

In the UK it is often said the Labour Party owes more to Methodism than Marxism.

My family come from a small Welsh mining village and it is easy to see that the socialism of my grandfather and father came from chapel.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Because if you dont have religious or alternative institutions to challenge the state. Then it essentially leads to the state getting full governship. And you rely more on state basis principles. Or am i wrong?

I can't make any sense from this line of "reasoning".

I'm an atheist living in a secular democracy and wouldn't want it any other way.
So what are you talking about?



PS: if you would actually apply Christian sentiment and philosophy to governmental rule, then you pretty much end up with socialism, where everybody helps (pays for) each other and where you can't have 1 guy who's personally as rich as an entire medium sized country. A true christian country would not be capitalistic in nature. You can't have capitalism without poor people. For some people to be rich, others are gonna have to be poor. And as christianity says: help the poor, the hungry, the sick etc.
That essentially introduces socialism programs like welfare, foodbanks, paid leave, paid sick leave, etc etc etc.

All things which corporate america is pretty much allergic too.