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An Alarming Observation
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
How very leftist.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Do you think the quoted polls are wrong?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Polls can be made to just say about anything.
Nimos
Well-Known Member
Don't know if this is right or wrong. But if it is, it wouldn't surprise me at all. Since they voted for Trump to be president, I guess anything is possible. A lot of the biggest countries in the world, such as Russia and China have close to dictatorships hidden under the illusion of democracy. So could happen in the US as well, if they keep voting these absolute ***MOD EDIT*** into power. Trump demonstrated that you can go fairly far without the US citizens caring to much about it. So guess the next one, unless its him again, could take it even further.
I think one of the biggest issues is that politics in many cases is like a football match, even in Denmark where we have lots of parties to vote for, it can be bad at times. But nothing compared to the US two party democracy. Its very much like people picking sides and fight it out in the arena, and its no longer about finding the best solutions for people, but rather it is to simply win the match.
Politics and the work of politicians should and should always be as service men to the public. But obviously if the public as mentioned in the video, don't care or understand this, then you can end up in serious problems.
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Loved this post ***MOD EDIT***.
I think a lot of people think this is over, and it really isn't. There will be another Republican president (and probably congress, especially with voter suppression and gerrymandering being rampant and voter protections being stripped) sooner than later, and the big question is whether it will be another Trump populist but possibly worse (like a true believer, such as Josh Hawley, that doesn't have Trump's obvious mental problems) or whether it will just be the regular brand of post-80's GOP monster. I'll take the latter without question if I must, but for everyone that thinks Trumpism was defeated in 2020, I think they are being very naive. We're not out of the woods yet, and won't be for some time, because the problem isn't Trump. Trump is a symptom.
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exchemist
Veteran Member
Well I agree one needs to see the questions before relying 100% on the answers.
But, speaking for yourself, do you see the vote as a right or a privilege? And do you think the last presidential election was stolen?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yes, that could be the case in this case. Just like you could be lying, therefore you are lying. Well, no, I doubt that. I think you are doing a form of obscurification. I don't know that the US will turn into an authoritarian state, but I wouldn't rule it out.
Now how confidant am I, that it will happen? Well, I am not confidant that it will happen, but I do think there is a non-trivial chance it could happen.
Nimos
Well-Known Member
The problem is if they manage to vote in a clever person, such as Putin, that have the intelligence to manipulate the system. Looking at how far Trump got, simply using the American first and a huge part of the Americans eating it up, given that he is clearly not the most intelligent person to walk the face of the Earth, its pretty impressive, none the less how far he manage to take it. Causing people to riot and storm the congress, and now still almost a year later or so, people are still all fired up.
Honestly I think the biggest problem in the US, is the huge difference in education levels in the public, which ultimately is fed by the huge amount of inequality. So you have a smaller group of very educated people, and then a massive amount of extremely uneducated people, which basically seem to have no clue what is going on outside the US and Fox news.
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Rather than dismissing the polls or conclusions based on the party affiliation you associate with them, what conclusions would you draw?
The guy on the video has not been paying attention, if all this surprises him. Progressives have been pointing this out for decades.
The US is already an oligarchy. Yes, the trappings of democracy still remain, but the actual 'will of the people' is no longer translated into law.
In ~1950, polls showed the preferences of the people became law >50%of the time. Today, studies like Gilens' and Page's indicate that the preferences of the average, middle class American have virtually no affect on policy, while the concerns of the 1% almost invariably become law.
Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
The US is already an oligarchy. Yes, the trappings of democracy still remain, but the actual 'will of the people' is no longer translated into law.
In ~1950, polls showed the preferences of the people became law >50%of the time. Today, studies like Gilens' and Page's indicate that the preferences of the average, middle class American have virtually no affect on policy, while the concerns of the 1% almost invariably become law.
Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Do you believe voting is a right? Or do you think it is a privilege?
If it is a right does that mean every citizen of voting age should have equal access?
Altfish
Veteran Member
How very GOP
Altfish
Veteran Member
It has to be a right
In the UK, I annually receive a letter asking me to confirm who lives at my household. I can then go on-line and either confirm or amend the details. (Or I could confirm in the pre-paid envelope)
If you move house the letter is addressed to 'The Householder' so you can cross out the previous occupants and put you and your family down
The default situation is that you are registered.
I have a postal vote but if I wanted to go in person, I could walk to the polling booth. Polling booths are schools, community centres or even portakabins. They pop-up everywhere.
I have never waited more than a couple of minutes to vote
Voting is not a chore
If the GOP (and the DEMS for that matter) were serious about democracy the system in the US would be similar
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Yerda
Veteran Member
Weren't there articles and tweet threads about how democracy had went too far or there was too much democracy when Trump won? I'm pretty sure I remember fairly centrist American liberal types (Hillary cultists) basically advertising their grief in a "the stupids shouldn't be allowed to vote" kind of way.
You're "pretty sure" you remember something that I'm pretty sure you can't document. It's part of the problem.
Can we quote you in the future?
Yerda
Veteran Member
Well, I'll have a look and see what I can find.
So, it's "a smaller group" versus "a massive amount" and, therefore ...
... Clinton won by 2.8 million votes in 2016 and Biden won by 7.0 million votes in 2020.
What's wrong with this picture?
True. Note the signature ...