catholics, orthodox, and protestants: can you explain the trinity?

[ChristineM]

I believe that still does not explain it which is why there is confusion.

I believe I never was taught the Trinity as a youth and only developed an understanding of it after accepting Jesus into my life. When God presented HImself to me that way, I didn't question it and didn't encounter it again until I met a Christian who had been taught the wrong thing. I evidently made him very angry for testing his cherished beliefs.

it was good enough for me at the time.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I believe that is a false belief. The Trinity is in the Old Testament as well.

Jesus does not appear in the old testament
The Trinity as taught by the Trinitarian churches does not appear in either the old or the new testament. However the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are mentioned individually.

Such links and connections, that have been made, are tenuous in the extreme, such as to be invisible.

 

[rational experiences]

Men scientists wrong egotism. One.

Teaching is about concepts of self acceptance.

ne science taught science is gods mass don't name it to change it. Evil causes.

Natural was never evil supported the highest life. Health.

Innocent of. Wisdom advice. Never knew EFFECT.

To day science calls status built a machine using machine an experiment. Don't know causes he says as he forces change.

In the old days we said it was conjuring evil. Change.

As natural was never meant to be changed.

Science lies says it follows laws evolution he said changed everything.

An excuse to cause evil. By lying about self innocence as a scientist.

Concept AI heard feedback voices told lies.

Evolution he says is gods works I am allowed to copy. Natural owned expressed evolution not science. Lied.

Science said do not listen to heavens medium it lies. State AI. Machines used to listen to evil voices in science.

Reason unknown effect.

Cause is known. Machine. Effect never known.

So when a scientist said in the beginning he never knew in the end.
Preaching one.. from his man egotism.

Alpha.
Omega.

Alpha.
Omega.

The same

Father is a father with a baby son in heavens is one owning two plus hosts.
Mother is a mother with a baby daughter in heavens. One owning Two plus hosts.

Mother however owned creating two babies as three. Highest trinity human mother. Known and taught.

Baby man adult thinks.

This is about two he says yet he is one. An adult thinking. Father concept evil status. Baby self same human innocent.

Real answer think only for yourself about yourself. Mind your own business.

Never did.

Two.
Father and son.
Owner alpha omega.
Mother and daughter.
Owner alpha omega.

Thinking telling stories hearing voices never change react natural as life by two equals four as holy the same.

Doubling review two alpha omega.

The thinker thinking many one concepts cannot say all needed words in one thought or voice. Taught scientists are liars.

Aloha omega two natural lived ownership all natural life creating beyond self by concept observed needing two of.

Theories only in one presence thinking about two continuance beyond one self a human.

Yet you are not just minding your own one body mind business.

Three trinity a concept only human self plus self continuance holy two plus hosts of God three.

Concepts in teaching relative advice never change planet earth.

Data using numbers thought about as one two three displaces natural human concepts into alien falsehood.

Data.

We are not data. Robotic thesis is data.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Men scientists wrong egotism. One.

Teaching is about concepts of self acceptance.

ne science taught science is gods mass don't name it to change it. Evil causes.

Natural was never evil supported the highest life. Health.

Innocent of. Wisdom advice. Never knew EFFECT.

To day science calls status built a machine using machine an experiment. Don't know causes he says as he forces change.

In the old days we said it was conjuring evil. Change.

As natural was never meant to be changed.

Science lies says it follows laws evolution he said changed everything.

An excuse to cause evil. By lying about self innocence as a scientist.

Concept AI heard feedback voices told lies.

Evolution he says is gods works I am allowed to copy. Natural owned expressed evolution not science. Lied.

Science said do not listen to heavens medium it lies. State AI. Machines used to listen to evil voices in science.

Reason unknown effect.

Cause is known. Machine. Effect never known.

So when a scientist said in the beginning he never knew in the end.
Preaching one.. from his man egotism.

Alpha.
Omega.

Alpha.
Omega.

The same

Father is a father with a baby son in heavens is one owning two plus hosts.
Mother is a mother with a baby daughter in heavens. One owning Two plus hosts.

Mother however owned creating two babies as three. Highest trinity human mother. Known and taught.

Baby man adult thinks.

This is about two he says yet he is one. An adult thinking. Father concept evil status. Baby self same human innocent.

Real answer think only for yourself about yourself. Mind your own business.

Never did.

Two.
Father and son.
Owner alpha omega.
Mother and daughter.
Owner alpha omega.

Thinking telling stories hearing voices never change react natural as life by two equals four as holy the same.

Doubling review two alpha omega.

The thinker thinking many one concepts cannot say all needed words in one thought or voice. Taught scientists are liars.

Aloha omega two natural lived ownership all natural life creating beyond self by concept observed needing two of.

Theories only in one presence thinking about two continuance beyond one self a human.

Yet you are not just minding your own one body mind business.

Three trinity a concept only human self plus self continuance holy two plus hosts of God three.

Concepts in teaching relative advice never change planet earth.

Data using numbers thought about as one two three displaces natural human concepts into alien falsehood.

Data.

We are not data. Robotic thesis is data.

Can any one translate all that for me. I can't make head not tail of it.

can any

 

[rational experiences]

Can any one translate all that for me. I can't make head not tail of it.

can any

Science is a liar it never created.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Science is a liar it never created.

That is no better.

 

[rational experiences]

That is no better.

No man created creation. Pretty basic advice.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

No man created creation. Pretty basic advice.

No-one has ever suggest man has has..
No one knows how creation was achieved.
However all life on earth has been subject to evolution to arrive at the flora and fauna that exists today.

 

[rational experiences]

No-one has ever suggest man has has..
No one knows how creation was achieved.
However all life on earth has been subject to evolution to arrive at the flora and fauna that exists today.

I live as a human. So do you. Your opinions are not needed. Natural exists in its owned forms.

Argue thesis humans versus humans. Group cult structures.

Reason spiritual said I am one whole body after an animal was to stop cult theists false preaching their dogmas.

It was never a belief once a human was a monkey. A human is only ever a human. It was to stop theists.

Humans as just humans making all claims. We knew we were wrong.

A human as one self is the same one self owning a one self experience. But it is mutual.

Spiritual one human one self advice about one.

One not a number. One a holy status about any self present form was the spiritual human one self human advice.

One does not own any numbers. False +adding inferred that a human knew what form was by calculus to minus to zero it's presence.

Zero was space. Every human intention said they only wanted space to be left after science. A convert of Sion.

So one human by spirituality imposed Sion was holy by human law. Meaning supporter of human life existence and continuance. Said Sion was holy never change it.

Human disagreement I want to change it.

I will reverse time said the liar. By thinking. Gas light constant void and heavens owned time by human implied preaching.

Immaculate gas is burning.

Reverse it....it stops burning but remains hot. Does not return to its origin immaculate.

O earth void of form. Teaching. In science you said O earth existed. Form however did not exist then knowing you were living with forms all present.

As a teacher to bring to the lying theists attention you cannot say above ground form came from the earth body origin the earth itself.

A teaching of relativity. Reason as we envision correct by observation but think falsely.

O science said the earth was without water. Same reason water by pressure was formed in space. Even though water was put into stone and sealed. relativity by science said earth owned no water.

Exact advice.

Conscious advice. Yet above ground in immaculate with crystalline earth it did own water.

The asteroid moon resuplemented water on earth.

The UFO is removing it from earths living life itself. Why we said it's an abductor of the life spirit. Mainly water bio as a human.

Reason crystal mass pressure involved presence of water. Nuclear removes crystal mass so you see water by science causes getting removed.

Basic common sense is basic human consciousness.

Father human memories. All sacrificed endured humans to speak data. Sciences victims.

When humans were dying combusted the alien appeared. When all life destroyed earth cooled. The volcanic gases mountain owned no alien put back cloud gas amassing.

Alien image disappears. Satan human cloud memories reappeared.

Clouds never image owner were only rolling smoking.

Thinker today says alien became Satan human in cloud image lied. Clouds direct out of mountain of God.

Humans memory existed for as long as they did in cloud memory before we all died. The alien manifested before we died.

Proving earths life is near to its previous known science destruction as the alien is seen as a warning.

Science naming God said it wanted known all forms of God as energy status. Pressurized space history.

An atom not the same pressure as a gas for instance. Hence wants space pressure emptiness reintroduced by his study thesis experiments.

To gain it's mass presence first. Just space. When all he gains is sin holes. Gods space or no life as emptiness.

Christ one body mass gone combusted by ancient science tried to infer by formula to having it filled back with a body mass then removed as if it were a formula of advice for machine reactions.

Why they said if you try to fill the cup of life which science said was Christ eternal life was no human death by status theory from beginnings immaculate. Being taught the fakery of a theist.... we will all die.

A human said the immaculate evening heavens did not sacrifice life like the day did.

Already knowing the human occult theist himself and what he falsely thinks. Was a human pre owned and pre taught life lesson. Natural human versus scientist.

Why the church upholding human laws said no man is Christ. Why they said theism about God was false. In human life as humans teaching other humans

Why they said MY father taught me naturally about my brother the occult theist. By our life sacrifice.

 

[Starlight]

Yeah. I think the nature of prepositions are important when it comes to talking about the trinity. But I get why they are inseparable.

Did you believe the father was greater than jesus and the holy spirit? So you did believe in three gods who live as one, but did you believe the father is the greatest God of them? That the holy spirit and Jesus was lesser gods?

 

[Starlight]

Jesus does not appear in the old testament
The Trinity as taught by the Trinitarian churches does not appear in either the old or the new testament. However the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are mentioned individually.

Such links and connections, that have been made, are tenuous in the extreme, such as to be invisible.

So what do you believe about the father, Jesus and the holy spirit? Do you believe jesus is God?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

So what do you believe about the father, Jesus and the holy spirit? Do you believe jesus is God?

No he is the son of God. I favour the Unitarian view.

However all souls are of God and return to God.

I believe that the Trinity, as understood, is a later invention.
The Holy Spirit proceeds from God alone.

 

[Starlight]

There's no fundamental theology of the Trinity, true but many protestant churches don't share the same views and definition as Catholics. The othorodox keeps it a mystery.

They both believe Jesus is god but from my experience only a handful of protestants believe Jesus is not the creator. From my personal experience the church separates it like the eucharist. You have the wine/blood substance and essence Jesus Christ. When people take communion they bring Christ present in the church..seen through consecration.

I'd liken Jesus being God the same. Though I haven't heard a Catholic believe he drinks actual blood from the human body so there is separation.

This is just going by my experience and what I've learned from both.

And what do catholics believe about the trinity according to you?

Catholics, ortodox and most protestants believe in the same trinity doctrine. So you Are wrong.

Both catholics, ortodox and protestants believe God is one being shared by three persons. They believe God is only one Being/Essence/Substance.

The only little difference in belief is that the ortodox church believe the Holy spirit proceeds from only the father and catholics and most protestants churches believe the Holy spirit proceeds from both the father and the son.

If you believe God is three beings/entities/gods who live and work in unity then you believe in the heresy tritheism.

 

[Starlight]

I believe that depends on whose Trinity doctrine you want explained. Not all denominations have the same beliefs.

Do you mean you believe there exist different trinity doctrines? Do you have a example about two different versions of the trinity doctrine?

 

[Starlight]

I believe that depends on whose Trinity doctrine you want explained. Not all denominations have the same beliefs.

Can you explain the trinity doctrine you believe in?

 

[Starlight]

The key is the use of "essence", which the Church heavily relied on in this area and some others. Let me give an example of the latter.

With Jesus' Parable of the Seed & the Sower, did that person actually exist in fact? Was this an actual historical event? The early Church debated this, and their conclusion was that it didn't make a difference because the "essence" of the parable is its moral teaching.

Thus, I in no way am spouting "tritheism", as the "essence" of Jesus and the Holy Spirit is their being of God.

Do you believe The father, Jesus, the Holy spirit share the same Being/Essence/Substance?

Or do you believe the father, Jesus, Holy spirit is three different beings/substances/essences?

I am confused. In one post you wrote you believe the father, jesus, holy spirit is three persons who share one Being. That God is only one Being (This belief is the offical trinity doctrine).

But in another post you wrote you believe The father, Jesus, holy spirit is three different beings/entities/gods who live and work in unity (This belief is the heresy called tritheism).

What do you believe..?

 

[Starlight]

There's no fundamental theology of the Trinity, true but many protestant churches don't share the same views and definition as Catholics. The othorodox keeps it a mystery.

They both believe Jesus is god but from my experience only a handful of protestants believe Jesus is not the creator. From my personal experience the church separates it like the eucharist. You have the wine/blood substance and essence Jesus Christ. When people take communion they bring Christ present in the church..seen through consecration.

I'd liken Jesus being God the same. Though I haven't heard a Catholic believe he drinks actual blood from the human body so there is separation.

This is just going by my experience and what I've learned from both.

When you was catholic did you believe Jesus was God?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Near forgot this thread.

And what do catholics believe about the trinity according to you?

Me?

This is what I got from Mass and scripture. You've even mentioned there is a connection between the three. Just christians don't see it as a connection. They view them all the same.

Mass separates the creator from jesus as Eucharist does from bread/wine but they are one in the holy spirit in the former and the consecration in the latter.

I don't use "christian" language to discribe this. It's very direct. Because of the nature of catholicism and christianity in general, they can't tell the difference.

Catholics, ortodox and most protestants believe in the same trinity doctrine. So you Are wrong.

No. Protestants are baptists, lutherans, JW, and so forth-those who protest against the catholic church.

I only know some protestants to believe the creator is jesus. In Mass, even in their icons, they are separate-one father the other son. One spirit the other human. One essence and the other substance. And so forth.

Both catholics, ortodox and protestants believe God is one being shared by three persons. They believe God is only one Being/Essence/Substance.

Being (1)/Essense (2)/substance(3) shared makes them one... a tri-nity.

"Shared" Is the key word here.

If they are the same, there is nothing to be shared between them.

The only little difference in belief is that the ortodox church believe the Holy spirit proceeds from only the father and catholics and most protestants churches believe the Holy spirit proceeds from both the father and the son.

Some protestant churches believe the holy spirit goes from the father through christ. However, because christ is the representative to god, they believe they get the holy spirit through christ.

For example, say I give a letter to my child Sara saying I love my grandchild (her son).
My child grows up and has a child of her own say John.
I pass away and Sara tells her son John "this is from your grandmother."
Sara acts as a mediator between me and my grandson.

From then on John knew about me through his mother.
Sara and I are one.

In Mass you can see that in the iconary:
Creator sends the dove/holy spirit to bless christ/priest to give his body and blood/eucharist to his communion of people/body of christ.

That's the concept the trinity.

I can't describe it from an theological academic standpoint though, just experiential.

If you believe God is three beings/entities/gods who live and work in unity then you believe in the heresy tritheism.

I never said that at all.

 

[metis]

Do you believe The father, Jesus, the Holy spirit share the same Being/Essence/Substance?

No.

Or do you believe the father, Jesus, Holy spirit is three different beings/substances/essences?

Nope.

I am confused. In one post you wrote you believe the father, jesus, holy spirit is three persons who share one Being.

I didn't write that.

But in another post you wrote you believe The father, Jesus, holy spirit is three different beings/entities/gods who live and work in unity (This belief is the heresy called tritheism).

I didn't write that either.

What do you believe..?

Not much.

Again, the key is to understand the use of "essence" and how this may be applied to God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The Trinitarian concept from the Catholic position posits that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are of the "essence" of God. Now whether that is a correct concept is speculative and is well beyond my paygrade to know if it is correct, partially correct, or way off the target.

Again, I cannot repeat it often enough, or so it appears, the key here is the use of "essence": "the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, that determines its character."

 

[Starlight]

No.

Nope.

I didn't write that.

I didn't write that either.

Not much.

Again, the key is to understand the use of "essence" and how this may be applied to God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The Trinitarian concept from the Catholic position posits that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are of the "essence" of God. Now whether that is a correct concept is speculative and is well beyond my paygrade to know if it is correct, partially correct, or way off the target.

Again, I cannot repeat it often enough, or so it appears, the key here is the use of "essence": "the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, that determines its character."

Do you believe the three persons (the father, Jesus, holy spirit) share one being?

Or do you believe the father, Jesus and holy spirit is three different beings?