Which one is a Cult? A or B?

[metis]

Well are you breaking the Jewish normative sabbath today?

Well, today's Monday, but if I was Jewish I could not and did not get into my computer on Shabbat (mostly Saturday)

And since you bring it up about breaking one of the ten commandments re the Sabbath, have they been abolished in the Catholic faith?

Not abolished but unnecessary. A great many parishes have mass seven days a week.

Why aren't Catholics or Protestants observing the same day as the Jews?

Because the vast majority of us are Gentiles, thus Jewish Law is not mandated for us to follow. The Ten Commandments are just 10 of the 613 Commandments that can be found here: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

There is no doubt in the Bible that Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath.

Yes, he was, but not all Jews were or are on the same page when it comes to interpretations.

 

[metis]

By the way, the Bible has one take on this. Since you're so much into religion, you might want to think about the eventual division geographically and why this happened of the 12 tribes. 10 tribes were in the north eventually, and 2 in the southern part of Israel. So by 'take,' it is written about the history. Even the Catholic Bible has the history there in what is often called the "Old Testament."

Well, I think I did "think" about it as I taught about it in a synagogue. [long story]

 

[TrueBeliever37]

OK, which translation are you using? Obviously not all translations say 'spirit' at Matthew 1:18. The King James early said ghost. And so we have to figure what it (spirit or ghost) means. And since you are so into the Bible, which is good, I hope you have the consideration to discuss this peacefully and carefully.

In general I use the KJV, the NIV, and others but then compare with Greek diaglots and Hebrew texts.

ghost was just another word for spirit back in that time period. So it means the same thing. Of course I intend to discuss it peacefully and carefully.

I tried to methodically lay it out for you. Giving scripture as proof.

The Father is the only God. - 1 Corinthians 8:6
God is a Spirit. - John 4:24
There is Only one Spirit - Ephesians 4:4
I showed where the Holy Spirit was the Father in Matthew 1:18 (She was found with child of the Holy Spirit)

Therefore the Father is the Holy Spirit.

As further proof:
God (the Father) said he would pour out his Spirit on all flesh. Joel 2:28 (It's not another Spirit. Remember God is a Spirit, and there is only one Spirit of God.)

God also said he would dwell in his people. God is holy, he is the holy Spirit. If we receive his Spirit then we are the temple of the living God.
1 Corinthians 3:16 ...you are the temple of God, and the Spirit of God dwells in you.
1 Corinthians 6:19 ...your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you. (Carefully compare those two verses.)

 

[YoursTrue]

Well, I think I did "think" about it as I taught about it in a synagogue. [long story]

I will get back to the subject of sabbath after I do some research, but...the history of the nation dividing into two kingdoms, north and south is not interpretation. It's the history.

 

[YoursTrue]

Well, today's Monday, but if I was Jewish I could not and did not get into my computer on Shabbat (mostly Saturday)

Not abolished but unnecessary. A great many parishes have mass seven days a week.

Because the vast majority of us are Gentiles, thus Jewish Law is not mandated for us to follow. The Ten Commandments are just 10 of the 613 Commandments that can be found here: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

Yes, he was, but not all Jews were or are on the same page when it comes to interpretations.

Moses, as you probably know, did not bring 613 commandments down from the mountain. The Sabbath was as a remembrance for God and His people, the Jews. They were to do their work 6 days, and on the 7th day (the Sabbath), they were to rest. There was a reason for this, and it is spelled out in the commandment. Exodus 20: New Living Bible - 11. but the seventh day is a sabbath for your God Jehovah: you shall not do any work, you nor your son or daughter, your servant nor your beast nor your immigrant within your gates, because for six days Jehovah was making the sky and the earth and the sea and everything in it, and he rested on the seventh day; for this reason Jehovah blessed the sabbath day and made it sacred.

 

[metis]

I will get back to the subject of sabbath after I do some research, but...the history of the nation dividing into two kingdoms, north and south is not interpretation. It's the history.

Did I say or imply otherwise? Maybe it's better to ask than to make assumptions, and nowhere did I state nor imply that there is no objective evidence within scripture, especially since many items have been verified through meshing with different sources.

 

[metis]

Moses, as you probably know, did not bring 613 commandments down from the mountain. The Sabbath was as a remembrance for God and His people, the Jews. They were to do their work 6 days, and on the 7th day (the Sabbath), they were to rest. There was a reason for this, and it is spelled out in the commandment. Exodus 20: New Living Bible - 11. but the seventh day is a sabbath for your God Jehovah: you shall not do any work, you nor your son or daughter, your servant nor your beast nor your immigrant within your gates, because for six days Jehovah was making the sky and the earth and the sea and everything in it, and he rested on the seventh day; for this reason Jehovah blessed the sabbath day and made it sacred.

You're "preaching to the choir".

BTW, "Jehovah" is not a correct translation of "YHWH" as there's no "J" sound in Hebrew and we don't know what vowels went with YHWH as they were not used in the Hebrew texts.

 

[YoursTrue]

You're "preaching to the choir".

BTW, "Jehovah" is not a correct translation of "YHWH" as there's no "J" sound in Hebrew and we don't know what vowels went with YHWH as they were not used in the Hebrew texts.

The pronunciation of the Hebrew letters from YHWH is good in English as Jehovah, just as Jesus and Jerusalem are.

 

[YoursTrue]

Did I say or imply otherwise? Maybe it's better to ask than to make assumptions, and nowhere did I state nor imply that there is no objective evidence within scripture, especially since many items have been verified through meshing with different sources.

Let me put it this way...you spoke about in a joking way, I think, that I was breaking a commandment. Thàt of the Sabbath. How was that commandment broken?

 

[metis]

Let me put it this way...you spoke about in a joking way, I think, that I was breaking a commandment. Thàt of the Sabbath. How was that commandment broken?

There are things that need to be done and not done on Shabbat as found within Torah, and Christians generally don't observe them, which is all fine & dandy in most cases since most of them are Gentiles.

 

[YoursTrue]

There are things that need to be done and not done on Shabbat as found within Torah, and Christians generally don't observe them, which is all fine & dandy in most cases since most of them are Gentiles.

Oh? Most Christians are Gentiles, is that what you're saying and so it's fine and dandy that they don't keep Jewish sabbath laws? Of course, Jesus did say that a man would take his animal to drink on the sabbath. Luke 13:13,14 brings this out for readers: "And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day. The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his *** from the stall, and lead him away to watering?" (KJV) I don't know how you interpret these statements, but <smile> there is a vast difference between keeping the sabbath day holy as a day of rest, and work-working. And rabbinic law, which Jesus spoke against in certain instances. Since Jesus is the Christ, the anointed one of God, I'll stick with him. Thanks though for your opinion.

 

[RabbiO]

The pronunciation of the Hebrew letters from YHWH is good in English as Jehovah.

Nope.

 

[YoursTrue]

Nope.

Yup. It's a lot better than -- Lord -- bent very much out of shape. Very much. So if you want to go into the Hebrew, let's do it, because what you said is not true. God's name is not to be taken in vain, which of course, many do. And for that the punishment isn't going to be simple as pie. But some like saying Yahweh, or Yahveh, or something else, but Lord isn't going to do it. It's a shame.

 

[YoursTrue]

You're "preaching to the choir".

BTW, "Jehovah" is not a correct translation of "YHWH" as there's no "J" sound in Hebrew and we don't know what vowels went with YHWH as they were not used in the Hebrew texts.

At the beginning vowel points were not used in the texts, and as some of us know, it was superstition that makes people afraid (especiallyl if they know they're using the divine name wrongly). You must be aware that LORD or Lord is certainly not a correct at all translation of the 4 letters for the divine name. Many people don't even realize that LORD or Lord, depending on translation, is a coverup often for the Name, and has nothing in proper translation that way. Some footnotes in some translations will tell you that, Exocus 3:15 is often one with a footnote that mentions it. Anyway...carry on. I really thank you for your responses, you will probably never know what they have done for me, including some of the others' answers as well.

 

[YoursTrue]

Nope.

yup. And by the way, do you say Jerusalem for starters with a J sound when you speak English?

 

[YoursTrue]

That doesn't relate to what I posted, so why did you repeat yourself?

The Bible says there ARE other gods. As you know, that's also in the Ten Commandments to not worship other gods. So do you think that's abolished also, or maybe you as the scholar can explain it?

 

[YoursTrue]

You reply but don't actually answer the questions. And sometimes your reply doesn't even make sense in regards to the question. This reply at post 190 shows a prime example. Consider what we had been talking about and then look at your response.

Now you are saying the Messiah was not just a man. So explain what he was.

The Messiah was the direct son of God, born to Mary. He was the anointed one, the Christ. He was not an ordinary man, or just a man.

 

[YoursTrue]

And I clarified this on a previous post whereas I said that Judaism recognizes that health & life itself to take priority over ritual, so why did you post the above?

The Bible is a subjective source, not an objective source, as different religions have different takes on this.

Then there's no use wondering how YHWH (or YHVH) was pronounced much in the original Hebrew, just as one might say Jesus and not Yeshua, according to circumstance in ENGLISH.

 

[metis]

You must be aware that LORD or Lord is certainly not a correct at all translation of the 4 letters for the divine name.

It comes from "Adonai", which is one of the roughly 15 names for God in Hebrew that's found in the Torah.

 

[metis]

yup. And by the way, do you say Jerusalem for starters with a J sound when you speak English?

The "J" is pronounces as a "Y" is in modern English.