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Heaven and Capitalism

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
can heaven be compatible with capitalism?


can self serving be compatible with peace; when self is profiting off of the needs of other as self?


can promoting division bring about harmony? can all ever be as one under such a state?


 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I thought the Bible was clear on this ....

"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
can heaven be compatible with capitalism?


can self serving be compatible with peace; when self is profiting off of the needs of other as self?


can promoting division bring about harmony? can all ever be as one under such a state?


No
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Would business be unnecessary because God gives
everyone what they want?
Or would business be banned, ie, no free economic
association in Heaven?

It would be awful without some entrepreneurship.
restaurants-heaven_and_hell-dining-waitressing-heaven-bill-mban452_low.jpg
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Would business be unnecessary because God gives
everyone what they want?
Or would business be banned, ie, no free economic
association in Heaven?

It would be awful without some entrepreneurship.
restaurants-heaven_and_hell-dining-waitressing-heaven-bill-mban452_low.jpg
I have not been to heaven :) but my understanding is that all that is needed is a righteous thought and it appear. But money is a human thing.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have not been to heaven :) but my understanding is that all that is needed is a righteous thought and it appear.
Sounds too good to be true.
The dream might turn out to be a sweatshop. You might
be making pearly gates, clouds, harps, wings, robes, & such.
Or you might be rented out to Satan stoking furnaces, or
cleaning algae from the Lake Of Fire, & Hot Tub Of Tabasco.
This cannot be disproven.
 
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Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Sounds too good to be true.
The dream might turn out to be a sweatshop. You might
be making pearly gates, clouds, harps, wings, robes, & such.
Or you might be rented out to Satan to stoke furnaces, or
cleaning algae from the Lake Of Fire, & Hot Tub Of Tabasco.
This cannot be disproven.
What I believe and what is really in heaven is probably very different indeed
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I thought the Bible was clear on this ....

"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".
but it doesn't really explain why its harder. doesn't say it's impossible. just says it's harder
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
can heaven be compatible with capitalism?

Capitalism is a way for us to take care of our own needs. In heaven I thought God would be taking care of our needs.

can self serving be compatible with peace;
Yes
when self is profiting off of the needs of other as self?

Sorry, I don't know what this last part means. "as self"

can promoting division bring about harmony? can all ever be as one under such a state?

Nope, don't know what this has to do with capitalism though.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Nope, don't know what this has to do with capitalism though.
Critics of capitalism tend to see only the much hated
competition. But they miss the extensive cooperation.
I could never run a business without the many people
I serve & who serve me...all voluntarily.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Sounds too good to be true.
The dream might turn out to be a sweatshop. You might
be making pearly gates, clouds, harps, wings, robes, & such.
Or you might be rented out to Satan stoking furnaces, or
cleaning algae from the Lake Of Fire, & Hot Tub Of Tabasco.
This cannot be disproven.


so in chapter two of genesis we see where man is working and hasn't yet fallen in eden/heaven.

in chapter three we see where man has fallen and must go upon his stomach and by the sweat of his brow work

even god works based on the analogy.


so the problem isn't work.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Capitalism is a way for us to take care of our own needs.
capitalism isn't a problem until its used as an advantage over other, to continuously horde resources against other as self. everyone has needs but once that need is met then it turns into gluttony


In heaven I thought God would be taking care of our needs.
i'm not a dualist. i'm already here. i can understand how other as self might not be





Sorry, I don't know what this last part means. "as self"
a word used instead of a personal pronoun to mean a person, like saying soul. its an idea of understanding the self from an objective view, like being self-conscious
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Critics of capitalism tend to see only the much hated
competition. But they miss the extensive cooperation.
I could never run a business without the many people
I serve & who serve me...all voluntarily.
I'm sure the fact that people need the money from their work to eat and shelter themselves has absolutely no impact on their completely voluntary desire to work for you.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Critics of capitalism tend to see only the much hated
competition. But they miss the extensive cooperation.
I could never run a business without the many people
I serve & who serve me...all voluntarily.

There is good competition and bad competition. Capitalism has both but bad competition is destructive to even capitalism.

I think most of what people hate about capitalism are the very things that cause capitalism to fail. Capitalist ought to be among the first to hate the things which cause capitalism to fail.

I don't recall capitalism ever being taught is school. Maybe in college but I don't think it was a required course. Though everyone seems aware of he Marxist view of capitalism.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm sure the fact that people need the money from their work to eat and shelter themselves has absolutely no impact on their completely voluntary desire to work for you.
There is no free lunch in life.
In every system that ever existed, only monarchs have
been exempted from being compelled to work for a living.
And even they had duties.
In capitalism, we're compelled by desire, as opposed to
other systems wherein threat of prison compels work.
And we get to choose which work & for whom.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
capitalism isn't a problem until its used as an advantage over other, to continuously horde resources against other as self. everyone has needs but once that need is met then it turns into gluttony

Which is inherently harmful to capitalism.


i'm not a dualist. i'm already here. i can understand how other as self might not be

So then "this" is heaven? In which case capitalism is here too.

a word used instead of a personal pronoun to mean a person, like saying soul. its an idea of understanding the self from an objective view, like being self-conscious

Ok, well I don't see a problem with profiting off the needs of another person because you are fulfilling their needs at the same time. Everyone wins.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There is good competition and bad competition. Capitalism has both but bad competition is destructive to even capitalism.

I think most of what people hate about capitalism are the very things that cause capitalism to fail. Capitalist ought to be among the first to hate the things which cause capitalism to fail.

I don't recall capitalism ever being taught is school. Maybe in college but I don't think it was a required course. Though everyone seems aware of he Marxist view of capitalism.
All economic systems can develop bad traits. So that criticism
cannot justify favoring one over another. We must look to real
world examples of the combinations of economic & government
systems. Which ones are best? Which are worst?
It's the empirical approach.
Taking this view, capitalism with democracy offers best results.
Not having capitalism has been universally dismal.
 
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