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The cherry picking strategy

SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Wildswanderer said:
What is the atheists creed? In regard to Religion they believe in nothing. As in, no deity.
And they argue against anyone who does believe in a deity.
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There is no creed. No belief system or anything else.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in god(s).


Other than that, atheists can and do believe in all kinds of different things. There is nothing they are required to believe, that all atheists must believe or anything like that.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
MikeF said:
How do you define the label 'Religion'? What do you consider a valid description of the term?
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The word religion was used by the Roman Empire to not mean religion as defined in dictionaries. They used it as a soldiers binding to the state. Religare. It means a binding or a binding relationship.

Julian Huxley wrote a book called religion without revelation. Michael Ruse wrote a book called darwinism as religion.

Its not that simple Mike. We simply cannot be.
 
W

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
ChristineM said:
As i said at the beginning of this, look up the definition of religion. I'll even copy and past it to save you the trouble of looking

Religion : the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.​

Tell me, is believing my children will do well at school a religion?
Is believing my car will start in the morning a religion?
Is believing you have no idea what you are talking about on this matter a religion?

I rest my case
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Lots of people make money a religion. Or sex. Or power. Or their ego.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
firedragon said:
The word religion was used by the Roman Empire to not mean religion as defined in dictionaries. They used it as a soldiers binding to the state. Religare. It means a binding or a binding relationship.

Julian Huxley wrote a book called religion without revelation. Michael Ruse wrote a book called darwinism as religion.

Its not that simple Mike. We simply cannot be.
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Who cares what the Roman Empire thought about it?

You're talking about how people define and use the term now.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Wildswanderer said:
Being on religion forums...
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They tell you this personally: We believe in nothing so you believe in nothing too."

There are atheists from all sorts of religions, spiritual worldviews, and have spiritual experiences and mystic at that just no deities involved--are you sure it has to do with atheists (per they being atheists) or that (assuming) you are told to believe in nothing and it backfired on them?
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
firedragon said:
why would an atheist engage in such activity? whats the vested interest?
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Simple. For an atheist religion is ignorance and superstition. That is why they speak against it, and not for any gain. It is theists who think of gain. Successful proselytization gives them merit and finally a place in heaven. "We have saved so many people". They spend billions of dollars for it.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
ChristineM said:
As i said at the beginning of this, look up the definition of religion. I'll even copy and past it to save you the trouble of looking

Religion : the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.​

Tell me, is believing my children will do well at school a religion?
Is believing my car will start in the morning a religion?
Is believing you have no idea what you are talking about on this matter a religion?

I rest my case
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Yeah, definitions are not your strong side:

Google: What is religion?
religion | Definition, Types, List of Religions, Symbols, Examples, & Facts
Religion - Wikipedia
What is Religion?
"It is a rather common misconception to think that religion has to do with god, or gods and supernatural beings or a supernatural or spiritual dimension or greater reality. None of that is absolutely necessary because there are religions that are without those elements."
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Aupmanyav said:
Simple. For an atheist religion is ignorance and superstition. That is why they speak against it, and not for any gain. It is theists who think of gain. Successful proselytization gives them merit and finally a place in heaven. "We have saved so many people". They spend billions of dollars for it.
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STAY THE **** OUT OF MY LIFE AND STOP SPEAKING FOR ME!!!!
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
MikeF said:
How do you define the label 'Religion'? What do you consider a valid description of the term?
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IMHO, religion for Abrahamics has to be the revelation of God's word from a prophet / son of God / designated messenger / manifestation / mahdi. Otherwise it is no religion. Many do not consider Hinduism and Buddhism as religions. :)
 
MikeF

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
firedragon said:
The word religion was used by the Roman Empire to not mean religion as defined in dictionaries. They used it as a soldiers binding to the state. Religare. It means a binding or a binding relationship.

Julian Huxley wrote a book called religion without revelation. Michael Ruse wrote a book called darwinism as religion.

Its not that simple Mike. We simply cannot be.
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I would certainly disagree. I think we all understand how words are created. We understand that the meaning of words can change over time. That one word can hold multiple meanings, depending on context. That multiple words can all point and refer to the same thing, or same set of characteristics. Heck, that there are multiple languages speak directly to the issue that the actual symbols used are irrelevant. What matters is that, in communicating with others, we have common agreement as to what a particular word shall mean in a given context.

I am not familiar with the book Darwinism As A Religion. Is the term 'Religion' used in a literal sense, using the technical definition of some professional discipline, or is it used in a figurative or poetic fashion?

And again, not really the point, because it is you who is participating in this thread and therefore it is your definition of the term 'religion' that is relevant. What do you mean by it when you use that term? If others share your definition but feel that you are applying it inaccurately, that can be pointed out. If your definition isn't shared, then there can be a discussion as to why your definition may not be useful.

Therefore, what is your definition of the term 'religion'.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Aupmanyav said:
IMHO, religion for Abrahamics has to be the revelation of God's word from a prophet / son of God / designated messenger / manifestation / mahdi. Otherwise it is no religion. Many do not consider Hinduism and Buddhism as religions. :)
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That is your subjective opinion. Use science!!!
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
MikeF said:
I am not familiar with the book Darwinism As A Religion. Is the term 'Religion' used in a literal sense, using the technical definition of some professional discipline, or is it used in a figurative or poetic fashion?
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Do the research Mike.
 
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