Delta Variant Viral Load 1,260 Times Higher Than Original Covid 19 Virus

[Wandering Monk]

These data highlight that the Delta variant could be more infectious during the early stage of the infection. Delta variant, from exposure to the detection of viruses peaks at ~3.7 days

 

[Secret Chief]

Good old UK government - we've had freedom day. Just been to the food shop and half the folk are now maskless. Hurrah for freedom. Eejits.

 

[exchemist]

Good old UK government - we've had freedom day. Just been to the food shop and half the folk are now maskless. Hurrah for freedom. Eejits.

As one or two people have pointed out, the UK government approach only makes sense if the tacit aim is to encourage infection among the younger members of the population, who have not yet had both shots of the vaccine, before the schools go back in September. In other words, a herd immunity strategy, from immunity via infection among the young, who are not expected to get it seriously in most cases.

I could maybe imagine circumstances in which this could make sense, but if that is the game I would like to be told, honestly, that that is the plan.

With this crowd, I fear however there is no plan and they are being driven along by short term political expediency: the Bozo supermarket trolley careering from side to side as it makes it way down the aisle, scattering tins of baked beans and packets of sausages everywhere as it goes.

 

[wellwisher]

I went to the CDC web site to look at their data. I did this because I was curious why the media is no longer running the death toll data from the corona virus, but only the infection data. I thought to myself it could be due to media politics trying to buffer the current administration from bad news.

Regardless, it was hard to find any data of death toll due to the delta variant by doing a Google search. There were plenty of articles about being it being very contagious. Based on this change of approach, I felt it must be worse or better than anyone was saying. Why hide the death numbers? I decided to dig further.

The CDC web site had the hard numbers, but the numbers I needed were not straight forward and easy to find. One can Google search "CDC home", to find their web site. One can then navigate to the Corona information. On the top right is a menu button and among the drop down options is the data link. Don't take my word for it, see the data for yourself.

The lead data that I found simply added the extra deaths onto the grand total from Feb 2020 to now. This did not tell me what I needed to know about the new variant. I searched deeper until I finally found data that was more real time. It turns out there were about 237 extra deaths in the US due to corona over the past 7 days. To put that into perspective, that would add about 12000 deaths per year, at that rate, to the 600,000 deaths that can before it. During the death toll days of the media, single cities like NYC would do that each week, while the new data is for the entire country.

This was good news since it shows the death rate is way down, new variant and all. My conclusion was right in that higher infection rates does not necessarily mean higher death rates. Why is the media using the half truth of beingmore contagious, to spook the audience and allow the audience to draw a death rate conclusion that is opposite to the hard data at the CDC website? Why isn't the CDC setting the record straight?

This good news data could explain why Britain is loosening their restrictions and allowing the country to get back to work. The fake data conclusions being led by the media half truth of infection, is not what they are basing their decision on.

My hope is the staff and owners do not have the boot of big brother on their neck, so they can standup for the truth and data and allow free speech.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I went to the CDC web site to look at their data. I did this because I was curious why the media is no longer running the death toll data from the corona virus, but only the infection data. I thought to myself it could be due to media politics trying to buffer the current administration from bad news.

Regardless, it was hard to find any data of death toll due to the delta variant by doing a Google search. There were plenty of articles about being it being very contagious. Based on this change of approach, I felt it must be worse or better than anyone was saying. Why hide the death numbers? I decided to dig further.

The CDC web site had the hard numbers, but the numbers I needed were not straight forward and easy to find. One can Google search "CDC home", to find their web site. One can then navigate to the Corona information. On the top right is a menu button and among the drop down options is the data link. Don't take my word for it, see the data for yourself.

The lead data that I found simply added the extra deaths onto the grand total from Feb 2020 to now. This did not tell me what I needed to know about the new variant. I searched deeper until I finally found data that was more real time. It turns out there were about 237 extra deaths in the US due to corona over the past 7 days. To put that into perspective, that would add about 12000 deaths per year, at that rate, to the 600,000 deaths that can before it. During the death toll days of the media, single cities like NYC would do that each week, while the new data is for the entire country.

This was good news since it shows the death rate is way down, new variant and all. My conclusion was right in that higher infection rates does not necessarily mean higher death rates. Why is the media using the half truth of beingmore contagious, to spook the audience and allow the audience to draw a death rate conclusion that is opposite to the hard data at the CDC website? Why isn't the CDC setting the record straight?

This good news data could explain why Britain is loosening their restrictions and allowing the country to get back to work. The fake data conclusions being led by the media half truth of infection, is not what they are basing their decision on.

My hope is the staff and owners do not have the boot of big brother on their neck, so they can standup for the truth and data and allow free speech.

More than 80% of samples sequenced in the US are the Delta variant, so it is safe to assume it is the driver of the latest increases.

Cases precede deaths by about a month. This latest rise in cases in the US began about July 5. Deaths may be reduced by vaccination, previous infection and better treatment. August will tell how closely linked cases and deaths are in the US.

Hospitalizations are trending upward in the US somewhat dramatically.

 

[wellwisher]

I saw that chart when I was looking for mortality numbers. It does tell us that the number of cases is going up, but not anywhere near the peak of the original virus. However, it does not tell us anything about mortality. This is a variant which means variable. It is not clear what the future holds. The hard mortality numbers of today look promising.

There are many differences now versus 1 year ago in terms of preparedness and treatment options. I have faith in the medical community since they have more experience and tools That is a wild card. The hype has no faith and act like this is day one all over again.

There is a dual standard when it comes to truth. If you take the side of fear and get it wrong one is never held accountable. One cares so much to be afraid that nobody will judge you if wrong. If you take the side of faith in a positive outcome you will be censored by fear but never congratulated if right. There is never push back against fear if it does not pan out. Does a anyone remember the Russian collusion delusion. FaceBook will not retroactively close accounts because fear will be called caring. Let us wait and see how many predictions pan out.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I saw that chart when I was looking for mortality numbers. It does tell us that the number of cases is going up, but not anywhere near the peak of the original virus. However, it does not tell us anything about mortality. This is a variant which means variable. It is not clear what the future holds. The hard mortality numbers of today look promising.

There are many differences now versus 1 year ago in terms of preparedness and treatment options. I have faith in the medical community since they have more experience and tools That is a wild card. The hype has no faith and act like this is day one all over again.

There is a dual standard when it comes to truth. If you take the side of fear and get it wrong one is never held accountable. One cares so much to be afraid that nobody will judge you if wrong. If you take the side of faith in a positive outcome you will be censored by fear but never congratulated if right. There is never push back against fear if it does not pan out. Does a anyone remember the Russian collusion delusion. FaceBook will not retroactively close accounts because fear will be called caring. Let us wait and see how many predictions pan out.

From UK data, it looks like the Delta variant is less deadly than the first, but as you say, this may be because of better treatment. If mortality is all you are concerned about. A higher per capita number of under 50's are contracting this, including otherwise healthy people.

About 25% of people hospitalized end up with long Covid, which is usually described as inability to resume normal activities for 12 weeks or more.

 

[Riders]

I went to the CDC web site to look at their data. I did this because I was curious why the media is no longer running the death toll data from the corona virus, but only the infection data. I thought to myself it could be due to media politics trying to buffer the current administration from bad news.

Regardless, it was hard to find any data of death toll due to the delta variant by doing a Google search. There were plenty of articles about being it being very contagious. Based on this change of approach, I felt it must be worse or better than anyone was saying. Why hide the death numbers? I decided to dig further.

The CDC web site had the hard numbers, but the numbers I needed were not straight forward and easy to find. One can Google search "CDC home", to find their web site. One can then navigate to the Corona information. On the top right is a menu button and among the drop down options is the data link. Don't take my word for it, see the data for yourself.

The lead data that I found simply added the extra deaths onto the grand total from Feb 2020 to now. This did not tell me what I needed to know about the new variant. I searched deeper until I finally found data that was more real time. It turns out there were about 237 extra deaths in the US due to corona over the past 7 days. To put that into perspective, that would add about 12000 deaths per year, at that rate, to the 600,000 deaths that can before it. During the death toll days of the media, single cities like NYC would do that each week, while the new data is for the entire country.

This was good news since it shows the death rate is way down, new variant and all. My conclusion was right in that higher infection rates does not necessarily mean higher death rates. Why is the media using the half truth of beingmore contagious, to spook the audience and allow the audience to draw a death rate conclusion that is opposite to the hard data at the CDC website? Why isn't the CDC setting the record straight?

This good news data could explain why Britain is loosening their restrictions and allowing the country to get back to work. The fake data conclusions being led by the media half truth of infection, is not what they are basing their decision on.

My hope is the staff and owners do not have the boot of big brother on their neck, so they can standup for the truth and data and allow free speech.

I think I've heard death tolls for Dallas that it is high.

 

[Martin]

Good old UK government - we've had freedom day. Just been to the food shop and half the folk are now maskless. Hurrah for freedom. Eejits.

Most people are still wearing masks where I live. But yes, another fudge by lily-livered bumbling Bo-Jo.

 

[Martin]

From UK data, it looks like the Delta variant is less deadly than the first, but as you say, this may be because of better treatment. If mortality is all you are concerned about. A higher per capita number of under 50's are contracting this, including otherwise healthy people.

About 25% of people hospitalized end up with long Covid, which is usually described as inability to resume normal activities for 12 weeks or more.

It sounds like "long Covid" is going to be a major health problem going forward. They estimated around a million people have it in the UK.