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If God is energy.

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Energy is motion or the potential for it. Energy is the motive force of the universe. Energy is universal , infinitive, never created or destroyed. And this energy is God. God is conscious spiritual energy/force.
(This is my belief)

You said you had evidence. Your belief isn't evidence. Energy is a physical quantity that is conserved because the laws of physics don't change with time (Noether''s theorem). It isn't a thing, it's a property of things. "Energy/force" makes no sense, they are different things.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Where (just like Raciocinator)? Kindly give me the link. I seem to have missed that. If your evidence is good, then it will mean end of atheism (or otherwise you should eat the mouse which you are using with the computer).If people believe in something without evidence, then they are sure ignorant and deluded. Do you agree that there is an elephant in your room?Hinduism does not fetter personal belief. People like me and Valjean do not believe in Gods and Goddesses. Other Hindus believe in them. It is their view and their right.
It is silly and bad of you to label 84% of humans in the world as deluded and ignorant.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Yep, most people just go along to get along. Most people aren't philosophers.
The idea of God was created by logic and by philosophical questions. I remember when i was a child, i thought "where did this world come from" "there has to be someone who has created this world". " why do i live" ," what is the purpose of my life".

Almost all humans ask those Philosopher questions. And most people come to the conclusion that God is the creator of this world. And that our life has a purpose
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
No the idea of God was created by logic. I remember when i was a child, i thought "where did this world come from" "there has to be someone who has created this world". " why do i live" ," what is the purpose of my life".
I believe that the idea of God was created by illogic rather than logic. Since at that time we did not understand things, we credited an imaginary entity as the answer for all our questions (Goddidit). Now we know better. We now know 'Why do we live' as well as 'What is the purpose of our life'. Not a mystery now.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
1. Energy is motion or the potential for it. Energy is the motive force of the universe. Energy is universal , infinitive, never created or destroyed.
2. And this energy is God. God is conscious spiritual energy/force. (This is my belief)
I will parse what you wrote in two portions. I agree with the first, but you have not given any reason for the second. I have no problem with your belief even if it is without any logic or reason.
Why do you identitfy with a religion if you believe humans who believe in God or gods is ignorant and deluded?
I have already answered this question in my post # 234. Hinduism has space for many kind of views. It has all kinds of 'isms', right from polytheism to atheism.
It is silly and bad of you to label 84% of humans in the world as deluded and ignorant.
What otherwise can I say when they believe in things without any evidence?
 
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Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I believe that the idea of God was created by illogic rather than logic. Since at that time we did not understand things, we credited an imaginary entity as the answer for all our questions (Goddidit). Now we know better. We now know 'Why do we live' as well as 'What is the purpose of our life'. Not a mystery now.

Many people believe that to have a belief in God in much more logical than to not believe in God. So their and my conclusion is the opposite of your conclusion.
Many people come to the conclusion that God is the creator of this world. And that our life has a purpose. And that to not believe in God is illogical.

And by the way. You do not know. You only believe God do not exist.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Many people believe that to have a belief in God in much more logical than to not believe in God. So their and my conclusion is the opposite of your conclusion.
Many people come to the conclusion that God is the creator of this world. And that our life has a purpose. And that to not believe in God is illogical.

And by the way. You do not know. You only believe God do not exist.
No matter if we believe in God or not, I believe it is important to accept that others believe different than our self.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Your words are to strong for me :) @Aupmanyav may not believe any form of God exist, it should not be a problem for believers to accept that form of view, it is @Aupmanyav view. Its ok :)
I do not care if he believe in God or not. That is not important. What is important is to be loving and kind to others.

What makes me a bit angry is that he label all people who believe in God as arrogant and deluded
 
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ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Many people believe that to have a belief in God in much more logical than to not believe in God. So their and my conclusion is the opposite of your conclusion.
Many people come to the conclusion that God is the creator of this world. And that our life has a purpose. And that to not believe in God is illogical.

This is still and argumentum ad populum fallacy. A fallacy is a basic mistake in logic. Logic is not decided by the majority. Thinking logically is actually rather difficult and I doubt that anybody thinks logically about everything.

You also seem to be using the word in a way that suggests that you don't understand what it means. It isn't just "what seems kind of reasonable to me". Logic has structure and defined rules.

Humans have a well documented propensity to see agency where none exists, which is probably where the idea of spirits and gods originated.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I do not care if he believe in God or not. That is not important. What is important is to be loving and kind to others.

What makes me a bit angry is that he label all people who believe in God as arrogant and deluded

Just read the post 245 on page 13 in this tread
I did read it :) even i been silent for some time in this thread I read it :)
If he get you angry, maybe it is not his personal view that upset you, maybe it is something else?
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I did read it :) even i been silent for some time in this thread I read it :)
If he get you angry, maybe it is not his personal view that upset you, maybe it is something else?
So you do not think that to label all the people in the world who believe in God (included you) as arrogant and deluded is wrong to do? Well I believe it was bad of him to do that. He do not accept people who believe in God at all
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
So you do not think that to label all the people in the world who believe in God (included you) as arrogant and deluded is wrong to do? Well I believe it was bad of him to do that. He do not accept people who believe in God at all
It is his words, not mine :)
If anyone believe I am arrogant or deluded it is their thoughts. I can forgive them for thinking so.
 

Sakla

Member
If God is energy ( do not need to be the abrahanic God) and everything is build or created by energy, would'nt that mean a human being should be able to "tapp in to" the energy of God?

Is that how a human being can awaken to God from within?

Just a thought in my mind :confused: its mind boggeling :oops:
If we are made in Gods image, why can't God have the physical form of a man, but perfect. Of course, this concept excludes the religious texts that state he is a spirit. Maybe because we can't see him, we have assumed he is a spirit. If we believe we were designed after the image of God, then he can't be a spirit and has to have a physical form, but perfect.
 

Sakla

Member
If we are made in Gods image, why can't God have the physical form of a man, but perfect. Of course, this concept excludes the religious texts that state he is a spirit. Maybe because we can't see him, we have assumed he is a spirit. If we believe we were designed after the image of God, then he can't be a spirit and has to have a physical form, but perfect.
I believe his energy emmenates from him and we through this energy are the expression of his physical form. Atoms and molecules aren't solid, but frequencies of light and sound, therefore he must be a perfect solid form, and like the resurrection story, I believe God has a perfect, solid, form of a man.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Science said all things came from one original history. Origin.

That origin would have always had to have been there.

What if only a portion of origin became a womb within its own body?

Why science taught creation as the fall of gods O into a womb making burning consuming the reason space became owned separation.

In the story no human is God. We are the theist storyteller.

No man is God a true teaching. God burnt consumed as O gods forms.

O some encoded scattered. Stars. Some cooled. O held origin gods. Bodies from origin fall.

O earth lots of variables elements forms in one mass O in various points.

Oooooooobodies in space various points varies forms. Observed.

Mind psyche says space opening womb owned the reason for variations.

Burning cooling reblasting shifting moving holding.

No man is God correct reasoning.

Gases. A slight cooled self formed gas energy burns totally disappears. Cools also disappears as clear.

Disappearance two variables of reasoning.

Gases own very slight gas energy presence. As a spirit.

Spirit we said owned bio life support. Spirit energy.

Mass owned in energy our combustion.

Pretty basic human conscious science advice.

God in heavens not the one first God

God in heavens our father. Recorded memories human consciousness image and voice.

Spiritual memories.

Humans seen spirit. Geez a hateful human is seen. Memory relationship shared advice. Image and voice now loving. I wondered why said humans living.

Reason no longer conditioned to chemical expressed bio emotions.

A recording is basic first mother father. Our memories theirs relived re experienced. By babies who return to their body forms. Respect your human parents our teaching. Human. A human for humans being humans.

They were always first spiritual caring kind mutual.

Our experience not even close to their recorded memories.

We all know we are loved by them even if our baby to adult parents were not loving. As a new experience.

I knew experienced what father said he was always with me through my personal abusive experience.

By adult brothers sisters possessed by irradiating mind feedback. Science caused to spirit energy a slight gas status as it's owned form only.

Mass of spirit gas the only reason we are surviving.

So science is a gas loving you?

No love is bio chemical lived experienced.

Does a recording love you? Only by due to how info is expressed lovingly by the humans who used words conditioned expressive stated to be living. And lovingly said.

We however own the feelings in bio chemistry.

If the origin spirit unconditional eternal is on the other side of the gas would you be changed if it communicated to you?

Yes by using origin human parent memories as if they revisit us. Advising our life we should live and be family interactive as they had.

Can the eternal come into space?

No. God was once origin itself burnt.

Eternal new spirit bodies not gods O came into heavens at zero ground state pressure. Why we knew we came from the same one origin as God but never took the God journey through spatial development.

Each one form owned two shared conscious bodies X billions of pre existing self owned bodies.

As it entered into water oxygen heavens as one same mass.

I know it real the eternal spirit communicated hence changed the heavenly state in a slight moment allowing me to know it real and my spiritual parents real.

Allowing my own self to know why I was so loving whilst many brothers sisters no longer are. Allowing me to understand how animals so gentle sharing caring also changed their bio nature.

As animals in varying relationships are expressing everyday that proof.

We came from the same place yet we die as we were not created by history gods burn.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The idea of God was created by logic and by philosophical questions. I remember when i was a child, i thought "where did this world come from" "there has to be someone who has created this world". " why do i live" ," what is the purpose of my life".

Almost all humans ask those Philosopher questions. And most people come to the conclusion that God is the creator of this world. And that our life has a purpose
Most children have the answers handed to them prepackaged. They are not explained, nor are the facts and reasoning underlying them.

Of course, the children's parents haven't a clue either. They were fed the same simplistic pablum when they were kids, too.

Most parents just aren't versed in axiology, ontology or metaphysics, and certainly have little epistemic skill at assessing ideas.
Nor do most parents have the knowledge to answer these questions from a biological or cosmological perspective.
The result: "Goddidit!" -- which may be satisfying to a child's pre-intellectual mind, but really answers or explains nothing.

"Where did this world come from?" This is a physics and geology question, not a religious one.
"There has to be someone who has created this world." Why? How did you come to this conclusion?
"Why do i live?" Is this a biology question, or a question of purpose?
" What is the purpose of my life?" Why assume any cosmic purpose at all?
 
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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Many people believe that to have a belief in God in much more logical than to not believe in God. So their and my conclusion is the opposite of your conclusion.
No, many people are more comfortable believing in whatever is familiar and popular. They don't really critically analyze these questions. They're "conclusions" are not really conclusions, they're uncritical faith. There is no "logic" involved.
Many people come to the conclusion that God is the creator of this world. And that our life has a purpose. And that to not believe in God is illogical.
No, they don't "come to a conclusion." That would imply some critical analysis. Most just believe in a comfortable status quo. There is no analysis, no fact-checking, no logic. Their opinion is evidence of nothing.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yes thats true. @Aupmanyav think all people who believe in God is deluded and arrogant. So he do not accept what others believe
Not accepting what other people believe, just because other's believe it, is reasonable. One should believe in what there's evidence for, not in folklore.
Meandflower said:
I do not care if he believe in God or not. That is not important. What is important is to be loving and kind to others.

What makes me a bit angry is that he label all people who believe in God as arrogant and deluded
Isn't a delusion, by definition, a fixed, unevidenced belief?
Meandflower said:
So you do not think that to label all the people in the world who believe in God (included you) as arrogant and deluded is wrong to do? Well I believe it was bad of him to do that. He do not accept people who believe in God at all
Or does he not accept the conclusions of people who believe in God?
There's a difference.
 
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