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Debate a Muslim
- Thread starter Ghazaly
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Who is your favorite Islamic philosopher, and why?
firedragon
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What do you think legal means in the English language? =
firedragon
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What do you mean same as halal?
Well, so? What is your point? That since Halal means "legal", that automatically should be legal in Switzerland?
Ciao
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It means according to the law of the land, which appears to be not what halal connotes except for in countries where Muslims have ammended the law of the land to incorporate Halal regulations
firedragon
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Well, so? What is your point? That since Halal means "legal", that automatically should be legal in Switzerland?
Ciao
- viole
Really?
firedragon
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What do you mean same as halal?
I don't know. tell me what you mean then. You started this legal thing.
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- viole
firedragon
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Halal means what? Is it killing animals?
If I were to put it in my own words as opposed to doing the sensible thing of looking it up, I would say that halal means legal according to Islamic law. However to be more specific, halal slaughter means (again putting it in my own words rather than looking it up) slaughter according to Islamic law
SA Huguenot
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OK so what you are saying is that women are witnesses BY REASON?
That does not make sense at all!
Actually, I find this whole story silly if you want to tell me that Muhammad said that women have half the testimony as a man, ...
because they are defficient in reasoning...!
No one reasons when they are called to testify pal!
You are called to recollect your mind!
Mind! not Reason!
It would have been very perquliar if Muhammd told the women, do you know whay your testimony is half that of a man?
And if they asked why,
Muhammad would have said:
Because you are defficient in your reasoning!
OK, so why would a witness reason when caleld as a witness?
It will never happen because a witness is called to recollect occurrances from their minds!
Therefore your argument does not relate to any context.
Muhammad said women are deficient in their MINDS, and you can do your utmost to change a word's meaning, but you can never change the context this statement carries with them.
firedragon
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Thats not the question I asked.
Let me cut and paste again.
Halal means what? Is it killing animals?
In case you didn't read my whole post, I started out by answering your question, then tacked on a helpful word/phrase which may help @viole articulate what she is trying to say and explained it's meaning also.
Thus since your question was directly answered in the post (which you have not fully quoted) I am in no need of repeating myself.
In my opinion
SA Huguenot
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Furthermore,
let me demonstrate to you how difficult it must be for a Muslim to even attempt to defend his religion concerning what Allah told Muhammad!
Muhammad not only heard from Allah that women are deficient in their minds...
BUT THEY ARE DEFICIENT IN THEIR RELIGION, THATS WHY THE MAJORITY IS IN HELL!
Muhammad explained why they are deficient in their religion:
BECAUSE THEY CANT DO PRAyERS WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR MENSES!!!!
REALY?
ALLAH MADE A WOMAN TO REPRODUCE AND TO GIVE LIFE TO HUMANS, AND THEY GO TO HELL FOR HOW ALLAH CREATED THEM???
This would mean that not a single Muslim women will enter heaven, and this is the reason why Allah created Whorissis in paradise, because a Muslim man will not see their wives in paradise!
Now hear my song!
If ever I die, and somehow end up in Muslim paradise, and Allah gives me 12 Whorisses, and I dont see my wife, and learn she is in hell because of the way Allah created her...
I will call Allah, spit in his face, and demand to be sent to hell with my inocent wife!
Period.
firedragon
Veteran Member
It still doesnt answer the question. So I will not repeat the question.
SA Huguenot
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I will compile a list for your convenience, because I am not sure if you are lying, and are attempting to get out of the Muhammad autrocities history, or if you simply just dont know your Islamic history.
Not knowing Islamic history ios a very bad thing in Islam, then you ight be practicing Tiquiah, lying to defend Islam.
Allah gives rewards to those who deception to defend Islam.
I don't know about other countries but perhaps the age of consent, and marriage, had hardly anything to do with what children were capable of or allowed to do - given our current knowledge as to such - and more about them as being seen as the property of their parents - which coincidentally accords with what many feel now - as to their rights towards indoctrinating their children with THEIR beliefs.
From the book by Peter Laslett, The World We Have Lost - Further Explored, he cites 1007 parish records in England between the years 1619 and 1660 concerning marriage licences. Of the 1007, the ages given, and numbers, were as follows - age 13 (1), 14 (0), 15 (4), 16 (12), 17 and over (990). This was apparently reflected elsewhere too, so it can be seen that marrying young was not that common (less than 2% being 16 or younger), even if the age of consent was lower then (age 12).
And if one was to propose that most marriages were just not reported - evidence for such?
From the book by Peter Laslett, The World We Have Lost - Further Explored, he cites 1007 parish records in England between the years 1619 and 1660 concerning marriage licences. Of the 1007, the ages given, and numbers, were as follows - age 13 (1), 14 (0), 15 (4), 16 (12), 17 and over (990). This was apparently reflected elsewhere too, so it can be seen that marrying young was not that common (less than 2% being 16 or younger), even if the age of consent was lower then (age 12).
And if one was to propose that most marriages were just not reported - evidence for such?
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What are "Whorisses?"
I missed a bunch of this conversation, but what hadith are you talking about where women's intelligence is said to be deficient?
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