Debate a Muslim

[Shakeel]

IN your analysis, do you theorise that in order to stop young children having sex (asthagfirullah), you should get them married off?

If they're able and desire it then that's the ideal in Islam.

 

[sun rise]

the implementation of understanding changes.

If only more agreed with you. Salafis, specifically ISIS, want to impose what used to be earlier understanding on the modern world.

 

[oldbadger]

No. Maliki madhab is a "school of thought". It is the oldest school of thought born to a man named Malik Ibn Anas who reputedly came before any other "schools of thought", vis a vis, shafi, hanafi, hanbali. It is a Sunni school, not Shii. It is called the "school of Medina" which is to denote it is directly from Medina. Just a clarification.

There we are!

And so Ghazaly is a Sunni Muslim..... my question is answered.

 

[firedragon]

If only more agreed with you. Salafis, specifically ISIS, want to impose what used to be earlier understanding on the modern world.

Hmm. So how do you know "what used to be earlier understanding"?

 

[firedragon]

If they're able and desire it then that's the ideal in Islam.

Can you me scholarly sources that you follow who say "If they're able and desire it then that's the ideal in Islam" in answer to young children marrying to avoid having premarital sex?

Thanks.

 

[sun rise]

Hmm. So how do you know "what used to be earlier understanding"?

I can go by what people claim. Salafis themselves assert that Islam has deviated from what it should be and that a return to the pure, original Islam is necessary.

That to me is opposite of what you stated earlier.

But maybe it's more precise to change my statement to add what some claim to be original Islamic practice and jurisprudence without any modern innovation.

 

[firedragon]

I can go by what people claim. Salafis themselves assert that Islam has deviated from what it should be and that a return to the pure, original Islam is necessary.

Claims are your epistemic foundation?

 

[epronovost]

Haha. I think you should go back in all of these posts and read up again to get the interpretation why. This is what you have been arguing for so long.

Can you repeat or link me to the post in question. It might be buried pages ago by now.

 

[viole]

- The evolutionary mythology is the sewer theory of history, the most imaginative & fantastic tale ever told by man. Anyone who subscribes to this myth is either naturalist-material-atheist seeking to find a mythology of life they can feel included with, or a beaten down mule from the absolute tyranny of fanatical evolutionists.

So, we see like like hairless gorillas because Allah has an obsession for apes?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

No.

Why not? Who sets the limits of what is allowed and what not? You? Do you have some objective moral standard, necessarily decoupled from religion (otherwise the religious rapists could claims theirs), that we can use to decide how far religion tenets can be tolerated?

For instance, we believe that slaughtering animals in a certain way is pure cruelty not justifiable by believing in some deity. And that is why we banned Halal and Kosher.

So, why is that indicative of a tyranny?

Ciao

- viole

 

[firedragon]

Can you repeat or link me to the post in question. It might be buried pages ago by now.

I will see for sure.

 

[firedragon]

Why not? Who sets the limits of what is allowed and what not?

So you think murder needs consideration of "who sets limits, whats allowed and whats not"? Thats strange. Dont you have any understanding of such a moral issue of a murder of a child? Wow.

 

[viole]

- Nothing. A secular country secularing. Nothing less can be expected! What can I possibly say when you're proudly displaying the mediocrity of your system compared to the Islamic system. Secularism is among the worst form of government. It's disgusting.

Could be, but many of your co-believers rather prefer staying here than going back to their Islamic societies. For some strange reason. For sure we are not forcing them to stay.

I think if this was 935, the religious minorities in Switzerland would've been allowed to practice their faiths, issue their laws, enact their policies...etc.

Well, it is not 935. At least on this part of the world

By the way, here it is also not allowed to marry children. What do you think of that?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

So you think murder needs consideration of "who sets limits, whats allowed and whats not"? Thats strange. Dont you have any understanding of such a moral issue of a murder of a child? Wow.

You seem to act irrationally. What I said does not entail any moral consideration I might hold.

I also have a moral understanding that slaughtering animals in a certain way is immoral. Now what?

Ciao

- viole

 

[epronovost]

Could be, but many of your co-believers rather prefer staying here than going back to their Islamic societies. For some strange reason. For sure we are not forcing them to stay.

And relatively few people migrate and throw roots in Islamic societies compared to secular societies.

I'd also like to note that some Islamic societies do force migrants to stay, notably Qatar and UAE, by stealing passports from migrant workers most of which are from Bangladesh, India and Pakistan.

 

[firedragon]

You seem to act irrationally. What I said does not entail any moral consideration I might hold.

I also have a moral understanding that slaughtering animals in a certain way is immoral. Now what?

Ciao

- viole

So killing an animal for food, wearing a mask, are equal to killing a baby right?

 

[Harel13]

Hi everyone, I'm new here. I don't know how this works, but here we go.

- You can post your objections (or questions) against Islam here – it's scripture, theology, philosophy, law, politics, spirituality, or history –, bring your best supportive arguments & a white flag (or a prayer mat) for future use.

Good luck!

Is there any point in Jews and Muslims debating the Tanach (Jewish bible) if Muslims believe that the Tanach is not the Thaurath (think that's what it's called) but rather a text falsified by the Jews?

 

[viole]

So killing an animal for food, wearing a mask, are equal to killing a baby right?

Nope But since you can kill that animal differently, that is the moral thing to do. And no belief based on nothing but some ancient book can change that.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

So killing an animal for food, wearing a mask, are equal to killing a baby right?

And stealing apples is also not the same as killing a child. Yet, it is also not allowed. So, your arguments are just one non-sequitur after the other,

Ciao

- viole

 

[firedragon]

Nope But since you can kill that animal differently, that is the moral thing to do. And no belief based on nothing but some ancient book can change that.

Ciao

- viole

So in your country Halal means killing an animal in a different way?