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Who Should Be Eligible For Or Exempt From The Draft?

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
What right would a bunch of people in Washington to conscript anyone? It sounds a lot like a violation of the thirteenth amendment.
I thought we were supposed to have liberty and justice.
The 13th Amendment allows the use of prisoners as slave labor.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm against all drafts. To me there's too much on the line with people's lives and too little transparency. I'm not going out and killing people for someone's nebulous idea of 'the greater good.'
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The military draft & registration have been in the news again.
Women could have to register for the military draft under Democratic bill: Report
I'd make a poll for the titular question, but there are too many options....
Gender
Family status
Religion
Political connections

A few questions y'all can pick from...or bring your own:
- Should religious belief exempt people from fighting rolls?
- Or from any military roll?
- Is this fair to people who oppose combat for non-religious reasons?
- Should women pregnant or with infants be exempt?
- Or should all women be exempt?
- Should men with infants be exempt?
- Should draftees get a fair wage....say $200,000/year for a fighting roll?
- Should handicapped differently abled people be forced to serve?

I don't mind people being drafted to serve their country for a limited period. I lot of people I know have learned a trade while serving in the military.
At the same time, I don't trust the government when it comes to decisions about war.
In defense of the country, sure. If they need folks to go to war in other countries, not so much.

So to serve one's country sure. To go to someone else's country and kill people, I'm not for that kind of draft.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't mind people being drafted to serve their country for a limited period. I lot of people I know have learned a trade while serving in the military.
Some of us already had a trade.
At the same time, I don't trust the government when it comes to decisions about war.
In defense of the country, sure. If they need folks to go to war in other countries, not so much.

So to serve one's country sure. To go to someone else's country and kill people, I'm not for that kind of draft.
If serving one's country is so virtuous, why
should such a small percentage of men do
it against their will for slave wages.?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
During the Vietnam "War", I could not apply for conscientious objector status since I didn't belong to a "peace church", and yet I was strongly opposed to our involvement there on both a strategic and moral basis. However, my draft number when drawn was way down the list, but had I been called my wife and I planned on leaving and going to Canada, and we would do so with a clear conscience. No, I did not have five bone-spur deferments to avoid going.

But only two years ago I found out that I could have gone if drafted in a role minus carrying and using a gun, such as being a medic.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Some of us already had a trade.

Great, that's even better. Jump right in and get to work.

If serving one's country is so virtuous, why
should such a small percentage of men do
it against their will for slave wages.?

I didn't claim it was virtuous. Just maybe the idea of supporting the country that supports you.
I thought the idea was to have everyone support the group they belong to in whatever capacity they can. Not just the few.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No, I did not have five bone-spur deferments to avoid going.
Don't forget Biden's 5 student deferments & his asthma deferment.
Odd, isn't it....we hear so much from the left about Trump being
a cowardly draft dodger, but only crickets about Biden doing the same.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Great, that's even better. Jump right in and get to work.
I did.
I worked on F-18 flight controls at Northrop.
But I did this of my own free will.
**** conscription.
I didn't claim it was virtuous. Just maybe the idea of supporting the country that supports you.
Why is this support required of only a minority of straight men,
& under threat of imprisonment? Do women, gays, clergy, trans,
& handicapped people have no duty to support their country?
I thought the idea was to have everyone support the group they belong to in whatever capacity they can. Not just the few.
It's always the few.
And the many are rather stingy at compensating them for it.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I did.
I worked on F-18 flight controls at Northrop.
But I did this of my own free will.
**** conscription.

So a draft can coincide with freewill.

Why is this support required of only a minority of straight men,
& under threat of imprisonment? Do women, gays, clergy, trans,
& handicapped people have no duty to support their country?

Again, I thought the idea of this bill was to change that.

It's always the few.
And the many are rather stingy at compensating them for it.

I'm fine with getting everyone involved.
 

Secret Chief

Stiff Member
The military draft & registration have been in the news again.
Women could have to register for the military draft under Democratic bill: Report
I'd make a poll for the titular question, but there are too many options....
Gender
Family status
Religion
Political connections

A few questions y'all can pick from...or bring your own:
- Should religious belief exempt people from fighting rolls?
- Or from any military roll?
- Is this fair to people who oppose combat for non-religious reasons?
- Should women pregnant or with infants be exempt?
- Or should all women be exempt?
- Should men with infants be exempt?
- Should draftees get a fair wage....say $200,000/year for a fighting roll?
- Should handicapped differently abled people be forced to serve?
The US has conscription?
Aren't rolls something one butters?
 

Friend of Mara

Active Member
The military draft & registration have been in the news again.
Women could have to register for the military draft under Democratic bill: Report
I'd make a poll for the titular question, but there are too many options....
Gender
Family status
Religion
Political connections

A few questions y'all can pick from...or bring your own:
- Should religious belief exempt people from fighting rolls?
- Or from any military roll?
- Is this fair to people who oppose combat for non-religious reasons?
- Should women pregnant or with infants be exempt?
- Or should all women be exempt?
- Should men with infants be exempt?
- Should draftees get a fair wage....say $200,000/year for a fighting roll?
- Should handicapped differently abled people be forced to serve?
How about no draft at all? If a country cannot justify its actions to a point where we get consensual service then should they be doing it?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So a draft can coincide with freewill.
Only for those who planned on joining anyway.
For the others, it is coerced.
Again, I thought the idea of this bill was to change that.
Ostensibly. But politics will introduce exceptions,
eg, getting pregnant, converting to a pacifist faith,
becoming a priest.
I'm fine with getting everyone involved.
Even against their will?
I prefer that military pay be high enuf to get the
job done solely with volunteers. If a society that
doesn't serve isn't willing to pay volunteers to do
what they won't or can't, it's not a society worth
defending.
Also, it's inefficient to draft aerospace & weapon
design engineers to carry a rifle on the front line.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Everyone should be exempt from the draft, and no one should be required to register.
And there should be free stuff for everybody that only the top 1% pay for, and no more war, or pollution, and free unicorn rides!
 
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