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Who Should Be Eligible For Or Exempt From The Draft?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The military draft & registration have been in the news again.
Women could have to register for the military draft under Democratic bill: Report
I'd make a poll for the titular question, but there are too many options....
Gender
Family status
Religion
Political connections

A few questions y'all can pick from...or bring your own:
- Should religious belief exempt people from fighting rolls?
- Or from any military roll?
- Is this fair to people who oppose combat for non-religious reasons?
- Should women pregnant or with infants be exempt?
- Or should all women be exempt?
- Should men with infants be exempt?
- Should draftees get a fair wage....say $200,000/year for a fighting roll?
- Should handicapped differently abled people be forced to serve?
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
- Should religious belief exempt people from fighting rolls?
- Or from any military roll?
Not only religious but anyone who can give some evidence that they are in opposition to the concept of fighting wars, that they believe it is better to do nothing. Its easiest for religious people to do this since they can show attendance records at pacifist meetings, but I don't think you should limit this restriction to religious people only.

- Is this fair to people who oppose combat for non-religious reasons?
I think pacifists should be treated the same regardless of their religion. Perhaps allow people to register as objectors beforehand and have this notarized and on public record.

- Should women pregnant or with infants be exempt?
They could be given a choice to serve and get paid or not serve. Could they serve? They'd have all sorts of aches and temperamental moments, but they could be assessed. Maybe they could do something, but I don't know.

- Or should all women be exempt?
The main thing is not to pretend that women have the same physical attributes and problems as men or the same emotional makeup. Perhaps there are ways to make everyone more uniform.

Should men with infants be exempt?
I think that is reasonable.

Should draftees get a fair wage....say $200,000/year for a fighting roll?
I cannot comment on this amount. During wartime it might help take some of the sting out though.

Should handicapped differently abled people be forced to serve?
Some yes, if it becomes difficult to grab normal people. The problem is that there could be high turnover in basic training, and everyone must go through basic training. The initial brainwashing introduces physically and mentally taxing conditions. Its mean, not nice. They aren't nice to recruits.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Very much so at times, eg, qualification for conscious
objector status, exempting clergy from service.
Very interesting.
I must have filled in tens of forms in my life. Also to join law enforcement. Never found "religion".
Back to the topic...there should be no difference of treatment between men and women.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The military draft & registration have been in the news again.
Women could have to register for the military draft under Democratic bill: Report
I'd make a poll for the titular question, but there are too many options....
Gender
Family status
Religion
Political connections

A few questions y'all can pick from...or bring your own:
- Should religious belief exempt people from fighting rolls?
- Or from any military roll?
- Is this fair to people who oppose combat for non-religious reasons?
- Should women pregnant or with infants be exempt?
- Or should all women be exempt?
- Should men with infants be exempt?
- Should draftees get a fair wage....say $200,000/year for a fighting roll?
- Should handicapped differently abled people be forced to serve?


Not being american i should have nothing to say on this, but im going to say it anyway.

There should not be a draft, military service should be voluntary. Both men and women should be able to volunteer.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Not being american i should have nothing to say on this, but im going to say it anyway.

There should not be a draft, military service should be voluntary. Both men and women should be able to volunteer.
Everyone is invited to weigh in regarding
Ameristan or any other country.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
In the event of a draft, I think the very first to be drafted should be the politicians who voted for the war. They should be required, regardless of age, gender or any other trait, to serve throughout the conflict on the front lines of combat.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Some yes, if it becomes difficult to grab normal people. The problem is that there could be high turnover in basic training, and everyone must go through basic training. The initial brainwashing introduces physically and mentally taxing conditions. Its mean, not nice. They aren't nice to recruits.

I've heard that they've toned it down from what it used to be. They're not as rough or mean as they used to be, although I could be wrong about that.

My view is that, if the cause is worthy enough, they would have a sufficient number of willing volunteers.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
In the event of a draft, I think the very first to be drafted should be the politicians who voted for the war. They should be required, regardless of age, gender or any other trait, to serve throughout the conflict on the front lines of combat.

Looks like she found her way to the front lines, but I don't think she's wearing the proper uniform.

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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What right would a bunch of people in Washington to conscript anyone? It sounds a lot like a violation of the thirteenth amendment.
I thought we were supposed to have "liberty and justice for all."
 
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PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
I don't really support drafting women. Just having women join if they want to. Also, in the case of people who really don't want to fight in the war but are drafted, I do hope they get to be just cooks, etc.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
No one should have to register and have their future dangled in front of them like that. It violates the 13th prohibition of involuntary servitude, we have a large military of people who willingly enlisted, and Vietnam suggested it's probably not for the best to have draftees hurried through basic and shipped off to the front lines.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
No one should have to register and have their future dangled in front of them like that. It violates the 13th prohibition of involuntary servitude, we have a large military of people who willingly enlisted, and Vietnam suggested it's probably not for the best to have draftees hurried through basic and shipped off to the front lines.

Standing Ovation
It is called Department of Defense because that's what armies are for. Defense. Not wars in the middle of nowhere.
And professional soldiers who willingly enlisted, do suffice .
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What right would a bunch of people in Washington to conscript anyone? It sounds a lot like a violation of the thirteenth amendment.
The draft is indeed an explicit violation of the 13th Amendment.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as
a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have
been duly convicted, shall exist within the United
States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

For people who've not been convicted of
any crime, to be drafted into military service...
- It's involuntary.
- It's servitude.

However, politicians & even the Supreme Court will at times
oppose the wording & intent of the Constitution if they feel the
need. All it takes is a lot of legal gymnastics, rationalization,
appeals to need, citing of tradition, & lengthy complex legalese
to make their case. Any highly legal scholar can prove 2 + 2 = 7.
Supreme Court rejects battle over male-only military draft registration
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...80c0b4-9d88-11eb-b7a8-014b14aeb9e4_story.html
Exceptions Clause | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
 
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