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Ghazaly

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- The complete answer would require a very long post. The short answer is a multitude of ethical and logical objections I had to concepts and teachings within mainstream Sunni Islam (the sect I was brought up in), such as the classification of homosexual relationships as a sin, the lack of gender equality in multiple ways, and the notion that non-believers will go to Hell for eternity after death, among other things.
- The usual suspects... You know Islam is ultimately about submission to Allah. Are you homosexual?

These eventually lead me to question the idea that a god exists, and I left the religion when I found no reliable evidence that one does.
- Seems there is great potential for future debates.

- I support interpretations and reform that endorse progressive values such as endorsement of LGBT rights, gender equality, and freedom of religion. Some Qur'anists have such views and reject a lot of intolerant hadiths, for example, as do some Sufis. These are just a couple of sects that have a subset of progressively minded followers; there are progressives and reformers within all sects, of course.
- I understand the Quranists attempts, nothing less can be expected. But no Sufi can possibly endorse such interpretations. Not anyone who says I'm Sufi is, you must have a chain.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
- The usual suspects... You know Islam is ultimately about submission to Allah. Are you homosexual?

No, I'm heterosexual, but I believe in equal rights for LGBT people.

- Seems there is great potential for future debates.

Indeed!

- I understand the Quranists attempts, nothing less can be expected. But no Sufi can possibly endorse such interpretations. Not anyone who says I'm Sufi is, you must have a chain.

This is another point that has a lot of potential for inspiring future debate. I'm looking forward to seeing you around the forums!
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Salamoalaykom,

New Muslim here. You can call me Ghazaly. I like debating. What's up?

Any Muslims out here?
Any anti-Muslims?
Anything I need to know about this Forum?
Any tips?
Welcome to RF.
You got your moniker from Al-Ghazali, the one who, according to Neil deGrasse Tyson, ended the Islamic Golden Age?

If you are as anti science as Al-Ghazali, you'll get your options to debate.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Greetings!

Join us for snacks & lively discussions about religion in the staff cafeteria....
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Where's the food? :oops: You and Christine usually provide food.
 

Ghazaly

Member
Welcome to RF.
- Thanks.

You got your moniker from Al-Ghazali, the one who, according to Neil deGrasse Tyson, ended the Islamic Golden Age?
- As I call him Neil Ibn Rabii Taysi needs to sick to astronomy & leave other things he knows nothing to lessen further embarrassment.

If you are as anti science as Al-Ghazali, you'll get your options to debate.
- Without al-Ghazali, there wouldn't be Science.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Salamoalaykom,

New Muslim here. You can call me Ghazaly. I like debating. What's up?

Any Muslims out here?
Any anti-Muslims?
Anything I need to know about this Forum?
Any tips?
Hi and welcome. :) I am a Baha'i so my religion emerged out Islam similar to how Christianity emerged out of Judaism, since Baha'u'llah, the Prophet Founder of my religion, was raised as a Muslim and grew up in a Muslim culture.
 

Ghazaly

Member
Good for you! I highly respect that.
- I meant that semi-sarcastically. I'm a traditional Muslim: Maliki - Ashaari - Junaidi. Sodomy is a major sin in Islam, homosexual urges aren't. It matters not to Sharia whatever non-Muslims practice within Muslim rule (in their territory) or without, or whatever Muslims do without Muslim rule. Accountability (taklif) is contingent on belief (tabassur). A non-Muslim is non-accountable to Sharia, likewise, neither is, effectively, a Muslim without Muslim rule. Jurists (fuqaha) have allowed such things as incestuous practices among Jews & sibling marriages among Zoroastrians –despite these being deemed Zina (adultery) in Sharia, in accordance with the right to faith (maqsad deen). Likewise, by Sharia, Muslims have no say in non-Muslim practices in the West whatsoever. We face Allah solo, & to Him all accounts. The Prophet (pbuh) said about a sign of the end of time "men will marry men & women will marry women", this should be expected.


I'll just look for any threads you make and join the discussions if I feel I have something to add.
- What are your major contentions?


All is fine as long as it's within the forum rules. :D
- Anything I should know?
 

Ghazaly

Member
Hi and welcome. :) I am a Baha'i so my religion emerged out Islam similar to how Christianity emerged out of Judaism, since Baha'u'llah, the Prophet Founder of my religion, was raised as a Muslim and grew up in a Muslim culture.
- Are you Persian?
 

Ghazaly

Member
It's Maimon. With an N.
- Typo. Maymoun means 'a good omen'.

And I've heard the theory that he was a Muslim converso. Nu.
- You didn't bite. Nah, he was a Jew, though as we call them an Islamic Jew. He did study in Qarawiyin, he did write in Arabic, he did adopt Islamic philosophy, & he did work for Salahudeen, but if he was truly Muslim he wouldn't have been appointed as the Habr of the Jews in Egypt. His Muslim career might've very well been the catalyst which propelled him in life over his Jewish contemporaries, but it was because he thought he couldn't go back to Judaism for fear of apostasy punishment; until he was told that given his original conversion was done under duress (when he fled Fes under Almoahedeen) no punishment was warranted.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Salamoalaykom,

New Muslim here. You can call me Ghazaly. I like debating. What's up?

Any Muslims out here?
Any anti-Muslims?
Anything I need to know about this Forum?
Any tips?
I'm not Muslim but there are some here that had really been great and informative people both past and present.

Religion might be a contention as it goes without saying, but the people I like.

Welcome to the rabble!
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
- I meant that semi-sarcastically. I'm a traditional Muslim: Maliki - Ashaari - Junaidi. Sodomy is a major sin in Islam, homosexual urges aren't. It matters not to Sharia whatever non-Muslims practice within Muslim rule (in their territory) or without, or whatever Muslims do without Muslim rule. Accountability (taklif) is contingent on belief (tabassur). A non-Muslim is non-accountable to Sharia, likewise, neither is, effectively, a Muslim without Muslim rule. Jurists (fuqaha) have allowed such things as incestuous practices among Jews & sibling marriages among Zoroastrians –despite these being deemed Zina (adultery) in Sharia, in accordance with the right to faith (maqsad deen). Likewise, by Sharia, Muslims have no say in non-Muslim practices in the West whatsoever. We face Allah solo, & to Him all accounts. The Prophet (pbuh) said about a sign of the end of time "men will marry men & women will marry women", this should be expected.

I'm familiar with all of that, although I also know that some Islamic scholars have argued that the penal code of Shari'a should apply to non-Muslims living in Muslim countries rather than Muslims only.

I was a conservative Sunni and lived in Saudi Arabia for nearly two decades, so I'm aware of everything you've elucidated here.

- What are your major contentions?

About what? I'm not sure what exactly you're asking about, but I can't list any contentions here either way because this is not a debate thread. To debate here would be a Rule 10 violation.

- Anything I should know?

Depends on the context. The question is too broad on its own.
 
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