Frank Goad
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If there was was one paranormal thing that would make you believe in the paranormal.What would it be?I am asking this to all the nonbelievers in the paranormal.
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Anything that passes the JREF Challenge.If there was was one paranormal thing that would make you believe in the paranormal.What would it be?I am asking this to all the nonbelievers in the paranormal.
If there was was one paranormal thing that would make you believe in the paranormal.What would it be?I am asking this to all the nonbelievers in the paranormal.
So, considering anything as "paranormal" that which is outside the current normal (for, let's face it, if ghosts were all over the place, all the time, it would become the new "normal"), and considering the supernatural taint that the word "paranormal" has been given by usage, I would have to say that any variety of things could be outside my "normal" that I might classify as "paranormal." The appearance and some kind of verification of ghostly presence, someone being able to verifiably levitate things with their mind, someone always getting exact details right about future events, witnessing someone shape-shift or something. Those kinds of things would likely do it for me. I would admit there was something afoot, and that it necessitated further investigation, and it would warrant the label "paranormal" in my opinion. As to whether or not any sort of "supernatural realm" were at hand or something would definitely require more investigation, however.If there was was one paranormal thing that would make you believe in the paranormal.What would it be?I am asking this to all the nonbelievers in the paranormal.
That means a whole bunch of fireballs from the fingertips!Just about anything that can be indipendentely observed, and of course, repeatable.
"The paranormal" is a very widely defined collection of vastly different things so the idea of simply believing in "the paranormal" (or not) makes no sense. Any particular claim would have to be assessed on it's own merit but that things validity would have absolutely zero impact on the validity of anything else that might be lumped under "the paranormal".If there was was one paranormal thing that would make you believe in the paranormal.What would it be?I am asking this to all the nonbelievers in the paranormal.
That means a whole bunch of fireballs from the fingertips!
If there was was one paranormal thing that would make you believe in the paranormal.What would it be?I am asking this to all the nonbelievers in the paranormal.
It will never be repeatable. There’s an intelligence behind the paranormal that doesn’t want to be discovered, by the majority.Just about anything that can be indipendentely observed, and of course, repeatable.
It will never be repeatable. There’s an intelligence behind the paranormal that doesn’t want to be discovered, by the majority.
(Have you ever heard of, or read anything by, Dr. Barry Taff? He was involved in the Doris Bither Case. Quite interesting .)
Ok, Christine...no need to get testy about it.In your opinion. And until you can provide repeatable evidence it will remain your opinion
No ive not read any Barry Taff, i consider him a woo merchant on the lines of Erich von Däniken
Ok, Christine...no need to get testy about it.
I was just presenting a reason why events like that, won’t be repeatable.
Why? Dr. Taff doesn’t give “woo” explanations for his evidence, he’s always looking for some scientific answer behind such events.
You gotta give him credit for even tackling these unexplained phenomena; most scientists prefer to ignore them.
I don't think she was being "testy" at all. Just letting you know that whatever you're peddling isn't going to be accepted unless you can back it up. I don't know why believers get so in a huff when you let them know this simple thing. They take it personally, and act as if you are getting angry. The atheist likely isn't angry - they are telling you like it is, and not being wishy-washy or emotional about it.Ok, Christine...no need to get testy about it.
I was just presenting a reason why events like that, won’t be repeatable.
If the items are, by nature, unrepeatable, immeasurable and untestable, then no scientist worth his salt will be touching them with a 10 foot pole, because that makes each and every "instance" of this type of thing a literal one-off anecdote! You can't base scientific research or hypothesis on that. You just can't. You'd be a laughing stock to try. Which is likely where this "Dr. Taff" finds himself quite frequently. Except to entertainment industry, of course, where I have read that he served as the technical advisor to the staff of a supernatural horror/thriller film. Very likely one of his biggest credits. I'd be willing to bet he puts it on his resume.Why? Dr. Taff doesn’t give “woo” explanations for his evidence, he’s always looking for some scientific answer behind such events.
You gotta give him credit for even tackling these unexplained phenomena; most scientists prefer to ignore them.
Or maybe it is repeatable but there is an intelligence behind it all that doesn't want you to know that?It will never be repeatable. There’s an intelligence behind the paranormal that doesn’t want to be discovered, by the majority.
That’s what I said.Or maybe it is repeatable but there is an intelligence behind it all that doesn't want you to know that?
If we're allowed to simply declare that there are powerful intelligences controlling things behind the scenes to explain anything we don't understand, nobody could declare anything to be true, including the existence of those powerful intelligences. It's basically one huge roundabout way to say "I don't know" without actually admitting or accepting it.
Not exactly. You said evidence for "the paranormal" will never be repeated because there is an intelligence preventing it being discovered by the majority.That’s what I said.
Yes, because mine was a parody of yours, just with different assertions.So now, what? You’re discrediting your previous statement?
The point is that if you are asserting that there is an intelligence out there which is capable of completely and unconditionally blinding us to the truth, they could be applying that ability to anything, including anything (you think) you know. I also raises the question of how you could know this intelligence exists at all.
wait...Or, anything you think you know.
Let me ask you a question.
The numerous RF members on here, who have interaction with their spirit guides / gods, and / or have experienced phenomena unconstrained by laws of physics.... what’s your explanation? You think all these people have mental aberrations or are on drugs? Or they’re simply lying?
Granted, some are outright fraudulent, quite a few even....but all of them?
Only to the naïve....and especially to those whose worldview would be shattered.