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Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
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It is not rocket science to say "some parts of DNA are similar only to 10%."
But this does nothing to alter the conclusion that there is greater than 98% similarity between the two genomes. Perhaps most of the small percentage of dissimilarity is in the Y chromosome.

Has it ever occurred to you to look at the basis of your logic, reasoning and understanding? Since your ideas apparently run into opposition here and with journal reviewers, perhaps it is you that needs to change and not the rest of the world.
 

Clara Tea

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I knew
In 2020 AD schools classes they continue to say that the similarity in the DNA of chimpanzees and humans is 98.5%. But in 2010 they found that similarity ranges in different DNA segments from 10 to 98.5 percent, with a total similarity of less than 70 %,

why are they lying to us? And where are they lying? In the top journal or at school?

Hughes, J., Skaletsky, H., Pyntikova, T. et al. Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content. Nature 463, 536–539 (2010). https://doi.org/10.1038/nature08700

This is not stressed in the school textbooks. There is just sentence "human DNA has 98.5 similarities with monkeys", however, the correct one is:
"some parts of DNA have only 10 % similarity, the Y-Chromosome has less than 70% similarity, but the total similarity is 98.5%."

Reviewer: "Quantum mechanics is hardly mentioned in the school textbooks... even though it has replaced Newtonian mechanics 100 years ago. How about General Relativity? How well is it covered in school textbooks?"

Me: It is not rocket science to say "some parts of DNA are similar only to 10%."

See the world more positive, Quest For Truth: they are not lying, they are wishful thinking.

With all love, but it is fact: there are segments in DNA, that have only 10% similarity between human and monkey.

Reviewer: "So if I had two books that were overall 98% identical, but on page 396, the 12th sentence down from the top was only 10% identical, what does that prove?"

There was a huge fight in every state over equal time for teaching Evolution and Bible.
Certainly, it is good, that Science is afraid of the Bible.
If it would not be afraid, it would have left a story of Creation at least one tiny chance.

Reviewer: "It would be better to mention that in most places the similarity is 100%, wouldn't it?"
Me:
Are we in a war for sanity or something?

I knew it....monkeys took over the newspapers and internet....sneaky monkeys.

I can't find any source to verify your data. But I can find a great deal of data that disagrees with it, from a variety of sources. It would be good to get to the bottom of it and show why your data is wrong.
 

questfortruth

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There is nothing here about creationism. The places where dna divergence are greater happen because of evolutionary pressures
What Makes Us Different?

If the sum of genetic difference between most primitive and sick female chimpanzee Dina and me - a healthy male person, does not exceed two point five percent, then what total difference have two beings according to DNA: Adolf Hitler and Mother Theresa? Just some 0.00000001 %? Please remember, that the two are of different sex, and they look very different.

But this does nothing to alter the conclusion that there is greater than 98% similarity between the two genomes. Perhaps most of the small percentage of dissimilarity is in the Y chromosome.

Has it ever occurred to you to look at the basis of your logic, reasoning and understanding? Since your ideas apparently run into opposition here and with journal reviewers, perhaps it is you that needs to change and not the rest of the world.

I think you may have stumbled onto something here.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Has it ever occurred to you to look at the basis of your logic, reasoning and understanding? Since your ideas apparently run into opposition here and with journal reviewers, perhaps it is you that needs to change and not the rest of the world.
I have accepted Lord Jesus as my healer. The outside population dislikes
Him and thinks His words are crazy: ``And when His friends heard of it,
they went out to lay hold on Him: for they said, He is beside Himself.''
Mark 3:21. It is not necessarily true in my case because I am not running amok.
Please recall that I have publications in some top journals. Do I have
to give you the references? So, I suggest you enjoy my unusual
brain pattern. Nobody involved has expressed regret for murdering my Lord.
The world needs some positive change, in my opinion, not so much me.
 
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In 2020 AD schools classes they continue to say that the similarity in the DNA of chimpanzees and humans is 98.5%. But in 2010 they found that similarity ranges in different DNA segments from 10 to 98.5 percent, with a total similarity of less than 70 %,

why are they lying to us? And where are they lying? In the top journal or at school?

Hughes, J., Skaletsky, H., Pyntikova, T. et al. Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content. Nature 463, 536–539 (2010). https://doi.org/10.1038/nature08700

If the sum of genetic difference between most primitive and sick female chimpanzee Dina and me - a healthy male person, does not exceed two point five percent, then what total difference have two beings according to DNA: Adolf Hitler and Mother Theresa? Just some 0.00000001 %? Please remember, that the two are of different sex, and they look very different.

This is not stressed in the school textbooks. There is just sentence "human DNA has 98.5 similarities with monkeys", however, the correct one is:
"some parts of DNA have only 10 % similarity, the Y-Chromosome has less than 70% similarity, but the total similarity is 98.5%."

Reviewer: "Quantum mechanics is hardly mentioned in the school textbooks... even though it has replaced Newtonian mechanics 100 years ago. How about General Relativity? How well is it covered in school textbooks?"

Me: It is not rocket science to say "some parts of DNA are similar only to 10%."

See the world more positive, Quest For Truth: they are not lying, they are wishful thinking.

With all love, but it is fact: there are segments in DNA, that have only 10% similarity between human and monkey.

Reviewer: "So if I had two books that were overall 98% identical, but on page 396, the 12th sentence down from the top was only 10% identical, what does that prove?"

There was a huge fight in every state over equal time for teaching Evolution and Bible.
Certainly, it is good, that Science is afraid of the Bible.
If it would not be afraid, it would have left a story of Creation at least one tiny chance.

Reviewer: "It would be better to mention that in most places the similarity is 100%, wouldn't it?"
Me:
Are we in a war for sanity or something?

Reviewer: "Has it ever occurred to you to look at the basis of your logic, reasoning, and understanding? Since your ideas apparently run into opposition here and with journal reviewers, perhaps it is you that needs to change and not the rest of the world."

Me: "I have accepted Lord Jesus as my healer. The outside population dislikes
Him and thinks His words are crazy: ``And when His friends heard of it,
they went out to lay hold on Him: for they said, He is beside Himself.''
Mark 3:21. It is not necessarily true in my case because I am not running amok.
Please recall that I have publications in some top journals. Do I have
to give you the references? So, I suggest you enjoy my unusual
brain pattern. Nobody involved has expressed regret for murdering my Lord.
The world needs some positive change, in my opinion, not so much me."


Unusual brain pattern, ding ding, bullseye.
Enjoyable? highly doubt that.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
I have accepted Lord Jesus as my healer. The outside population dislikes
Him and thinks His words are crazy: ``And when His friends heard of it,
they went out to lay hold on Him: for they said, He is beside Himself.''
Mark 3:21. It is not necessarily true in my case because I am not running amok.
Please recall that I have publications in some top journals. Do I have
to give you the references? So, I suggest you enjoy my unusual
brain pattern. Nobody involved has expressed regret for murdering my Lord.
The world needs some positive change, in my opinion, not so much me.
Change comes from within. Perhaps you have some gifts, but you seem to be squandering them down blind alleys and without much actual use of those gifts.

For instance, you seem to feel your faith is threatened by some aspects of science, yet you obviously know very little about those aspects. Your thoughts on the theory of evolution aren't even at a trivial understanding. Not what I would expect from someone practicing science anyway.

God gave you a brain to think with and not to just start lobbing word salad at subjects that disturb you.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
If the sum of genetic difference between most primitive and sick female chimpanzee Dina and me - a healthy male person, does not exceed two point five percent, then what total difference have two beings according to DNA: Adolf Hitler and Mother Theresa? Just some 0.00000001 %? Please remember, that the two are of different sex, and they look very different.
I am not sure why you included me in on this response. Did you have something to say to me? I have no idea what you are talking about with sick chimps?

I would expect that there would be very little difference in a comparison of the genomes of Adolf Hitler and Mother Theresa, but those differences would likely be in places like the sex chromosomes. But not entirely. Twins share the closest similarity of genome and their phenotypes can diverge over time.
 

sayak83

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If the sum of genetic difference between most primitive and sick female chimpanzee Dina and me - a healthy male person, does not exceed two point five percent, then what total difference have two beings according to DNA: Adolf Hitler and Mother Theresa? Just some 0.00000001 %? Please remember, that the two are of different sex, and they look very different.
It's about 0.1%. That's the typical value. It will be a little less between Teresa and Hitler as both were Europeans.
Between any two humans, the amount of genetic variation—biochemical individuality—is about .1 percent. This means that about one base pair out of every 1,000 will be different between any two individuals. Any two (diploid) people have about 6 × 10^6 base pairs that are different, an important reason for the development of automated procedures to analyze genetic variation.

Understanding Human Genetic Variation - NIH Curriculum Supplement Series - NCBI Bookshelf
 
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questfortruth

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It's about 0.1%. That's the typical value. It will be a little less between Teresa and Hitler as both were Europeans.


Understanding Human Genetic Variation - NIH Curriculum Supplement Series - NCBI Bookshelf
Why then Hitler is Absolute Monster, and mother Theresa - Absolute Saint, if the difference between their organisms is less than 0.1%? Because immortal souls exist. Their inner souls are perfectly 100% percent different from each other. Therefore, God exists, He is Spirit of Saints. And satan is there, he is the spirit of sinners.
 

sayak83

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Why then Hitler is Absolute Monster, and mother Theresa - Absolute Saint, if the difference between their organisms is less than 0.1%? Because immortal souls exist. Their inner souls are perfectly 100% percent different from each other. Therefore, God exists, He is Spirit of Saints. And satan is there, he is the spirit of sinners.
Umm fine.... However there is at least partial link between genetic variation and psycopathy.
Neurobiological roots of psychopathy | Molecular Psychiatry
In neurons, psychopathy was associated with marked upregulation of RPL10P9 and ZNF132, and downregulation of CDH5 and OPRD1. In astrocytes, RPL10P9 and MT-RNR2 were upregulated. Expression of aforementioned genes explained 30–92% of the variance of psychopathic symptoms. The gene expression findings were confirmed with qPCR. These genes may be relevant to the lack of empathy and emotional callousness seen in psychopathy, since several studies have linked these genes to autism and social interaction.
 

night912

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There was a huge fight in every state over equal time for teaching Evolution and Bible.
Certainly, it is good, that Science is afraid of the Bible.
If it would not be afraid, it would have left a story of Creation at least one tiny chance.
Now you're being disingenuous. No such fight has happened. Public schools doesn't give time for bible teachings because of the 1st amendment. But they do allow teachings about the bible in the appropriate class. Evolution is taught in science classes because it's science. The bible is not taught in science classes because it's not science. And the purpose of the public school system is to educate students using currently true information, not false information. So even a tiny amount of false information shouldn't be taught to students. Teachings of the bible is not science, therefore it does not belong in a science class.

The goal of the education system is not to make more people with your way of thinking. America wants to at least be one of the top 10 greatest countries in the world, not the bottom 10.
 

questfortruth

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not to make more people with your way of thinking. America wants to at least be one of the top 10 greatest countries in the world, not the bottom 10.

BUT IT IS NOT PROVEN, THAT GOD HAS NOT ACTED IN THE WORLD.

QUOTE:

I am positively different from millions of non-prominent
and unfamiliar journal submitters. I have completed
secondary school with the Gold Medal, Tartu University
with Cum Laude, and I have successfully published in
Physical Review E and European Physical Journal B.
Presented are short clear proofs of
the conjectures from Number Theory, waiting at my home
office to be published by you!

More in:
Truth as God of Science
 

A Vestigial Mote

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BUT IT IS NOT PROVEN, THAT GOD HAS NOT ACTED IN THE WORLD.
It is far more important to prove that God HAS acted in the world. And the world is waiting for anyone to do so in any sort of compelling way. To this day, given thousands of years, none of you believers have been able to demonstrate or prove anything. And compound that idea to the sheer number of religions that have come and gone, and the distinct lack of evidence ANY of them have been able to muster makes the whole thing a big, stupid joke. You picked one (Christianity) and have let yourself run wild with it. But it is no more proven than any other successful or failed religion. Likely never will be. That's where some good, solid evidence would come in handy, wouldn't it? Do you have any? Or should you just stop talking now and quite while you are less behind than you will be if you continue?

Meanwhile, the efforts of scientific investigation and inquiry have produced so many valid and demonstrable results and evidence abound in support of the foundational wisdom it continually uncovers - there is basically no comparison. Religion is so much more useless that it is laughable to compare the two in this regard.
 

questfortruth

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It is far more important to prove that God HAS acted in the world. And the world is waiting for anyone to do so in any sort of compelling way. To this day, given thousands of years, none of you believers have been able to demonstrate or prove anything.
Dark Matter is the "hand" of the Creator. It is invisible matter, because of failed attempts to directly detect it-
 

A Vestigial Mote

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Dark Matter is the "hand" of the Creator. It is invisible matter, because of failed attempts to directly detect it-
Not nearly good enough. Not even close. You don't even know what "dark matter" is, and yet you have the gall to claim it is the "hand of the creator?" Demonstrate to me how it is directly linked to "the creator." If you can do that, then we have a start. You can't though - I have 100% confidence in the fact that you can't. If you can, then you can shock me. So go ahead... shock me. Until you can, I won't be giving a crap about anything you say like this. Seriously... without the evidence and no correlations or effects to the reality I experience- I simply don't care.

And you doing absolutely bonkers things like claiming that differences in 1.5% (within which similarity is only 10%) is as important as similarities in 98.5% (within which similarity must reach nearly 100%) is only going to make me listen to you less, and care less about things you have to say. you shoot yourself in the foot with every one of these threads... making yourself less and less and less credible. The saddest thing is - you don't even seem to realize or comprehend it. it's absolutely one of the strangest things I have born witness to. Your absolute denial of how out-of-touch you are with your subject matter and with reality.
 
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