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Supremes To Consider The Military Draft

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I wonder if the court will review it. I doubt they will. Its the impossible task.
Looks straightforward to me.
Perhaps some of them will see it that way.
But I make no predictions about strict constructionists
reading the 13th Amendment's prohibition of involuntary
servitude. Nor do I see the liberals being necessarily
all equal rights for men & women.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Looks straightforward to me.
Perhaps some of them will see it that way.
But I make no predictions about strict constructionists
reading the 13th Amendment's prohibition of involuntary
servitude. Nor do I see the liberals being necessarily
all equal rights for men & women.
That is an insightful comment. I recently heard that the military is increasingly technical. There are many engineers for each operation, and perhaps the use of humans bearing personal weapons will go away. A job in the military may no longer be one of fighting but of engineering. Therefore women don't belong in the military. Just kidding.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That is an insightful comment.
Woohoo!
I recently heard that the military is increasingly technical. There are many engineers for each operation, and perhaps the use of humans bearing personal weapons will go away. A job in the military may no long be one of fighting but of engineering. Therefore women don't belong in the military. Just kidding.
Also insightful.

I like this little mutual post admiration society.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
That is an insightful comment. I recently heard that the military is increasingly technical. There are many engineers for each operation, and perhaps the use of humans bearing personal weapons will go away. A job in the military may no longer be one of fighting but of engineering. Therefore women don't belong in the military. Just kidding.
I don't think either sex belongs in a military, nor do I think any group has a right to require anyone to fight or work for them.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't think either sex belongs in a military, nor do I think any group has a right to require anyone to fight or work for them.
Its a problem for certain. Somehow the military has to get people, and if people won't volunteer then... I guess then either someone will be pressed into service or we'll have no military.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
That is an insightful comment. I recently heard that the military is increasingly technical. There are many engineers for each operation, and perhaps the use of humans bearing personal weapons will go away. A job in the military may no longer be one of fighting but of engineering. Therefore women don't belong in the military. Just kidding.
The last two administrations did have a thing for drone strikes.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Its a problem for certain. Somehow the military has to get people, and if people won't volunteer then... I guess then either someone will be pressed into service or we'll have no military.
So.... slavery, then?
Who decides which side the conscript fights on? Is there a bidding war? Does the fighter have no choice in who he's required to kill, and for what?

What gives one entity the right to own another; in Christian terms, to condemn another to Hell for violating the 6th commandment? Does the conscript have no say in the matter? No freedom of conscience?


Does a resident of a Crips (American street gang) neighborhood owe service to the Crips, in their war with the neighboring Bloods? Do the Crips have a right to order a resident to go shoot a neighbor a few blocks away? Can the Crips take the resident's sin upon themselves?

What's the difference, besides scale?

I guess then either someone will be pressed into service or we'll have no military.
Why do we need a military?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Its a problem for certain. Somehow the military has to get people, and if people won't volunteer then... I guess then either someone will be pressed into service or we'll have no military.
It's simple....
Just pay enuf to get volunteers.
Sure, sure...it's more expensive than enslavement,
aka conscription, but it's the fair thing to do.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
So.... slavery, then?
Who decides which side the conscript fights on? Is there a bidding war? Does the fighter have no choice in who he's required to kill, and for what?

What gives one entity the right to own another; in Christian terms, to condemn another to Hell for violating the 6th commandment? Does the conscript have no say in the matter? No freedom of conscience?


Does a resident of a Crips (American street gang) neighborhood owe service to the Crips, in their war with the neighboring Bloods? Do the Crips have a right to order a resident to go shoot a neighbor a few blocks away? Can the Crips take the resident's sin upon themselves?

What's the difference, besides scale?
If you accept the government's protection then you are involved in its lethal practices. Even if you choose not to be involved you are involved. Its like...bacteria. If your roommate never showers then their bacterial cloud is going to be on you, too. You'll smell a little like them.

That is why I say its a problem for certain, not that I am in favor of war.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
It's simple....
Just pay enuf to get volunteers.
Sure, sure...it's more expensive than enslavement,
aka conscription, but it's the fair thing to do.
We already fool desperate young people into signing up. How is that different from conscription?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If you accept the government's protection then you are involved in its lethal practices. Even if you choose not to be involved you are involved. Its like...bacteria. If your roommate never showers then their bacterial cloud is going to be on you, too. You'll smell a little like them.
Good point, but one can choose to minimize one's direct participation. Noöne has a right to order you to do evil. The wages of sin fall on the sinner, not so much on he who ordered the sin. One is personally responsible for one's actions..
Does the military commander claim he can absolve you of the sin?

I do not have a duty to harm others, particularly for the benefit my own oppressor.

The government doesn't protect me. The only existential threat to the US comes from within. Our only enemies are generated by our own military adventurism, and by foreign policy initiatives I oppose.
That is why I say its a problem for certain, not that I am in favor of war.
So what if they gave a war and nobody came, as we used to say? Don't we have a moral duty to resist evil?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
This will be an interesting one to watch.
Will conventional thinking prevail?
Or will the Constitution?
High court asked to review men-only draft registration law
Okay, I would say that the all male draft is clearly un-Constitutional. But there are multiple sides to any story. Let's look at it from an older male pro-war viewpoint. Here are the benefits. We are far more likely to go to war if the military is mostly men. As an older male I would not be subject to the draft. If it was a serious war there would be a lot of women for us undrafted men to choose from. Hmm, sounds like a good thing. Too bad that I am not pro-war. I could almost change my mind.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't think either sex belongs in a military, nor do I think any group has a right to require anyone to fight or work for them.
You wouldn't be free for very long.

Let's just say fighting has to be done sometimes.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You wouldn't be free for very long.

Let's just say fighting has to be done sometimes.
Granted. But hopefully there would be no need for a draft. If a situation is serious enough that a draft is required then it should be of both sexes. If we only draft men it makes war easier. If we have to draft women too many people are going to think twice about going to war.
 
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