Why are they ignoring the persecution of Christians?

[ChristineM]

Actually makes sense to me. As ironic as it sounds, I think religion is anti-God, anti-love and breeds self- righteousness, division and hostility.

I would never have thought that of you and i do tgink you are 100% spot on

 

[InChrist]

That is debatable. Especially if one looks at the figures honestly.

Either way, violence and persecution is inexcusable.

 

[F1fan]

What is science? Science is a study.
Scientists are debating what is "known". How is it known, and what exactly are you asserting is known?

You don't know what science is?

Science is an ongoing process so as more data is gathered, and better methods and instruments developed, it's becomes more accurate.


[quotre]No. I did not limit Atheism to Russia and China, Do you? Why?[/quote]
Atheism itself is not an organized force in the world. That Communism includes a prohibition on religion is more of a side issue rather than an advantage to how it operates. Religion doesn't make a person moral. If someone thinks religion can help them be moral then they have a compromised moral sense.

Is that what you are saying? I believe beast can be quiet until they are hungry.
The future will tell. You'll hear the roar when it comes.

Those who are non-theists pose no threat to the USA or other people. Those who hold extreme,ist views of any kind can p[ose a threat to others, and that includes religious people. If you disagree feel free to challenge what I say and give examples that I'm wrong.

 

[nPeace]

You don't know what science is?

It's not a study?

Science is an ongoing process so as more data is gathered, and better methods and instruments developed, it's becomes more accurate.

So is it known, or is it an ongoing process?
So what is known then... science or what is studied?
Building on hypotheses and theories of what is known until the idea becomes more accurate? So it's not accurate. It's not known to be accurate. Isn't that so?
Facts are known.

Atheism itself is not an organized force in the world.

History of atheism - Wikipedia

That Communism includes a prohibition on religion is more of a side issue rather than an advantage to how it operates. Religion doesn't make a person moral. If someone thinks religion can help them be moral then they have a compromised moral sense.

Not sure what you are trying to say here, but Atheistic societies and systems are not limited to Communism.
Why did you bring up the moral issue? Do you wish to discuss it?

Those who are non-theists pose no threat to the USA or other people. Those who hold extreme,ist views of any kind can p[ose a threat to others, and that includes religious people. If you disagree feel free to challenge what I say and give examples that I'm wrong.

Gladly. (It's lengthy, but I don't like to leave gaps)
Did you read up on the Armenian genocide?

History of persecution on religion
c. 30-50 AD
In the first century, the religious leaders banded together to get the Romans to stamp out the founder of Christianity (Matthew 7:1, 2).
After Jesus death, persecution mounted against the Christian followers of Christ, instigated and led by religious leaders and supporters, who tried to get the Romans to imprison and kill Jesus disciples. - Acts 16:19-21 ; Acts 17:6, 7 ; Acts 9:1, 2

This is not to say that religious people have not been involved, but to demonstrate how "non-theists" get involved

The persecution of Christians can be historically traced from the first century of the Christian era to the present day. Christian missionaries and converts to Christianity have both been targeted for persecution, sometimes to the point of being martyred for their faith, ever since the emergence of Christianity. Since the emergence of Christian states in Late Antiquity, Christians have also been persecuted by other Christians due to differences in doctrine which have been declared heretical.

Early Christians were persecuted at the hands of both the Jews, from whose religion Christianity arose, and the Romans who controlled many of the early centers of Christianity in the Roman Empire.

19th century onward...
Throughout the history of Jehovah's Witnesses, their beliefs, doctrines, policies and practices have engendered controversy and opposition from governments, communities, and religious groups. Many Christian denominations consider their doctrines to be heretical, and some religious leaders have labeled Jehovah's Witnesses a cult. Members of the denomination have also met with objection from governments for refusing to serve in the military, particularly in times of war. Many individuals consider their door-to-door preaching to be intrusive. These issues have led to persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in various countries, including the United States.

Political and religious animosity against the Witnesses has occasionally led to mob action and government oppression. According to former United States Solicitor General, Archibald Cox, Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States were "the principal victims of religious persecution ... in the twentieth century," and added that, "they began to attract attention and provoke repression in the 1930s, when their proselytizing and numbers rapidly increased.

Mob violence did not only occur in the US, We were attacked by mobs and police in Georgia, and other lands.

Georgia : HUMAN RIGHTS DEVELOPMENTS
Government pressure on a popular independent television station caused mass street protests in late October 2001, to which President Shevardnadze responded by dismissing the entire government. The government's failure to combat crippling levels of corruption, improve living conditions, and resolve the ongoing energy crisis stoked social tension. Law enforcement agencies acquiesced in rising religious violence, and police corruption led to human rights abuses.

Georgian authorities allowed organized groups of civilian militants to conduct a sustained campaign of violent assaults and intimidation against members of several non-Orthodox religious faiths, chiefly Jehovah's Witnesses, Pentacostalists, and Baptists. The assailants broke up religious services, beat congregants, ransacked or looted homes and property, and destroyed religious literature. Vasili Mkalavishvili, a defrocked Georgian Orthodox priest who led most of the attacks, justified them by claiming that charismatic faiths were defiling Georgia's nationhood and religious tradition. He boasted of receiving assistance from the police and security services. Emboldened by the inaction or complicity of prosecutors and police, and by a February Supreme Court decision to deregister the Jehovah's Witnesses as a legal entity in Georgia, the frequency of mob attacks rose in 2001. The Jehovah's Witnesses reported more than forty attacks on their adherents in the first half of the year. Police failed to protect endangered worshippers and in at least one case, played an active role in the attacks. Police on February 27 forced open a gate to a courtyard in Tbilisi where several hundred Jehovah's Witnesses had been worshipping, allowing Mkalavishvili and his followers to rush in and beat the congregants with clubs, large crosses, and Bibles.

During World War II, Jehovah's Witnesses were targeted in the United States, Canada, and many other countries because they refused to serve in the military or contribute to the war effort due to their doctrine of political neutrality. In Canada, Jehovah's Witnesses were interned in camps along with political dissidents and people of Japanese and Chinese descent.

Jehovah's Witness members have been imprisoned in many countries for their refusal of conscription or compulsory military service. Their religious activities are currently banned or restricted in some countries, including Singapore, China, Vietnam, Russia and many Muslim-majority countries.

Here is something to think about...
Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union
Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities brutally suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on State interests. Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union. However, most religions were never officially outlawed.

The state advocated the destruction of religion, and to achieve this goal, it officially denounced religious beliefs as superstitious and backward. The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues, and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism," with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers. According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million. And at least 106,300 Russian clergymen were executed during the Great Purge. Religious beliefs and practices persisted among the majority of the population, not only in the domestic and private spheres but also in the scattered public spaces which were allowed to exist by a state that recognized its failure to eradicate religion and the political dangers of an unrelenting culture war.

Why would you think that this would not repeat itself, but on a grander scale?
When we look through this thread alone, or even these forums, we see how vehemently some Atheist express their feelings about backward religious beliefs, and the promotion of science belief, and Atheism being a moral society. Even you seem to have hinted at that, if I am not mistaken.

Does it seem far-fetched?
The Bible says, it's going to happen, on an unbelievable scale. It also says it cannot be stopped. It's imminent.
The Bible explains why, in Revelation 17.
Particularly verse 17 says... For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought. . .

So, while it may seem to persons, unrealistic.
History shows it's not, and the Bible gives the reason for it.

 

[F1fan]

I don't care about religion being taught in school.

Thanks for not opposing diverse religious concepts being taught in public school.

Even if it it taught at school, why do Atheist feel threatened by a view different to theirs though?

No athiet I've ever talked to feels threatened by theists. But then I've never talked to an atheist in a Muslim nation that might be arrested and executed. In the West atheists enjoy the freedom of thought to reject popular religious belief, and even openly debate with believers. L:et's note that many theists and atheists have been concerned about the disinformation of Creationism and how this religious framework confuses young people who should be learning science. Perhaps this is what you think threatens atheists: that Christian extremists are actively distorting their followers understanding of science.

It seems to me they fear that people would think beyond the indoctrination of their belief system.

That's the point of what atheists are debating, that theists who are indoctrinated in their belief system will realize the irrational nature of a framework they adopted from their social experience, and reject the belief. It has happened.

I find the same thing on many forums like these. It's much like silencing, or trying to silence religious people from presenting an alternative view.
Why can't people hear and see that alternative view, or views, and decide for themselves? What are the Atheists afraid of?

Atheists have the advantage of challenging the claimants, the theists have the burden of proof, and theists consistently fail. It's not atheists with anything to fear.

We atheists do listen to the claims. Religious claims are typically irrational and have no basis in reality. We are not obligated to listen and say nothing. This is debate. It's not fellowship.

Perhaps you can understand then, why we encourage our young people to avoid the institutes that promote the theory of evolution as a fact.

Because evolution threatens a (Christian) religious concept that is based on a very bad interpretation of Genesis. It's an interpretation that even the Jews don't agree with, and it's their book. This concept is like a virus that has so infected American culture that about 40% of citizens question evolution. That's embarrassing.

Next, our children would be coming home saying, "Mom. I'm an ape. I have cousins living in the jungle, and zoo. We should go visit them. Maybe take a gift for them, and celebrate..."

Well, not if they had a good science teacher. They will say "Mom, we are primates, and related to apes."

In fact, God knows what weird ideas they might get.

Like Jesus being a socialist because he cares about the hungry, the naked, and the homeless, and how Jesus knows nothing about the selfishness, greed and indifference of Christianity. Terrible.

They might start thinking they need to get rid of the weak among us, so the strong keep evolving - "special" selection - like the German Reich did.

Well if they go a private school run by Republicans it is likely they will. Be careful.

Yes. It is one view against another, or differing views, since it's not just two, and each person must decide what they think is best for them and theirs. You seem to agree with that.

This is why atheists know they have to be accountable to their own moral authority, not be agents to some religious dogma that demands obedience to whatever their political agenda is, which might be anti-sc hence, anti-gay, anti-freedom.

 

[F1fan]

It's not a study?

Science isn't called a "study".

So is it known, or is it an ongoing process?
So what is known then... science or what is studied?
Building on hypotheses and theories of what is known until the idea becomes more accurate? So it's not accurate. It's not known to be accurate. Isn't that so?
Facts are known.

Let's look at Germ Theory as an example. Pasteur had an insight that there were microorganisms responsible for infection. Many of his colleagues laughed at him, it was a new idea, they did;t have a way to test this, they just went about doing the work they did and didn't worry about it. Once the microscope was invented they could see that bacteria existed. They could test the effect of bacteria on injuries. they were able to observe the cause and effect of bacteria causing infection. This illustrates the ongoing process of discovery and how science attains knowledge. We know bacteria exist, it causes infection, and antibacterials and washing hands is crucial to minimize the effects of bacteria in injuries.

Evolution has a similar history. It went from a new idea by two men around 1860, and ever since science has tested whether animals evolve into new forms asa result of the selective pressure of their environment. Hundreds of thousands of experiments confirm that evolution is a real phenomenon. It's called a unifying theory because the phenomenon of evolution is reflected in every other related science, from geology, cosmology, archaeology, paleontology, botany, genetics, etc. They all confirm that evolution is a real phenomenon. There is no alternation to explain how all these science agree on how biology on the planet works.

The ongoing process of better equipment and more data keeps confirming that evolution is real. That is knowledge.

History of atheism - Wikipedia


Not sure what you are trying to say here, but Atheistic societies and systems are not limited to Communism.
Why did you bring up the moral issue? Do you wish to discuss it?

Your attempt to put all atheists into a box that includes Stalin and Mao is a known tactic to discredit atheists. You're better off dealing with the atheist you're talking to instead of implying he's another Stalin ready to murder millions of people.

 

[nPeace]

Science isn't called a "study".



Let's look at Germ Theory as an example. Pasteur had an insight that there were microorganisms responsible for infection. Many of his colleagues laughed at him, it was a new idea, they did;t have a way to test this, they just went about doing the work they did and didn't worry about it. Once the microscope was invented they could see that bacteria existed. They could test the effect of bacteria on injuries. they were able to observe the cause and effect of bacteria causing infection. This illustrates the ongoing process of discovery and how science attains knowledge. We know bacteria exist, it causes infection, and antibacterials and washing hands is crucial to minimize the effects of bacteria in injuries.

Evolution has a similar history. It went from a new idea by two men around 1860, and ever since science has tested whether animals evolve into new forms asa result of the selective pressure of their environment. Hundreds of thousands of experiments confirm that evolution is a real phenomenon. It's called a unifying theory because the phenomenon of evolution is reflected in every other related science, from geology, cosmology, archaeology, paleontology, botany, genetics, etc. They all confirm that evolution is a real phenomenon. There is no alternation to explain how all these science agree on how biology on the planet works.

The ongoing process of better equipment and more data keeps confirming that evolution is real. That is knowledge.


Your attempt to put all atheists into a box that includes Stalin and Mao is a known tactic to discredit atheists. You're better off dealing with the atheist you're talking to instead of implying he's another Stalin ready to murder millions of people.

I think you tend to be the one boxing things.
Atheistic societies and systems are not all Atheists.

 

[F1fan]

Gladly. (It's lengthy, but I don't like to leave gaps)
Did you read up on the Armenian genocide?

History of persecution on religion
c. 30-50 AD
In the first century, the religious leaders banded together to get the Romans to stamp out the founder of Christianity (Matthew 7:1, 2).
After Jesus death, persecution mounted against the Christian followers of Christ, instigated and led by religious leaders and supporters, who tried to get the Romans to imprison and kill Jesus disciples. - Acts 16:19-21 ; Acts 17:6, 7 ; Acts 9:1, 2

This is not to say that religious people have not been involved, but to demonstrate how "non-theists" get involved

The persecution of Christians can be historically traced from the first century of the Christian era to the present day. Christian missionaries and converts to Christianity have both been targeted for persecution, sometimes to the point of being martyred for their faith, ever since the emergence of Christianity. Since the emergence of Christian states in Late Antiquity, Christians have also been persecuted by other Christians due to differences in doctrine which have been declared heretical.

Early Christians were persecuted at the hands of both the Jews, from whose religion Christianity arose, and the Romans who controlled many of the early centers of Christianity in the Roman Empire.

19th century onward...
Throughout the history of Jehovah's Witnesses, their beliefs, doctrines, policies and practices have engendered controversy and opposition from governments, communities, and religious groups. Many Christian denominations consider their doctrines to be heretical, and some religious leaders have labeled Jehovah's Witnesses a cult. Members of the denomination have also met with objection from governments for refusing to serve in the military, particularly in times of war. Many individuals consider their door-to-door preaching to be intrusive. These issues have led to persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in various countries, including the United States.

Political and religious animosity against the Witnesses has occasionally led to mob action and government oppression. According to former United States Solicitor General, Archibald Cox, Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States were "the principal victims of religious persecution ... in the twentieth century," and added that, "they began to attract attention and provoke repression in the 1930s, when their proselytizing and numbers rapidly increased.

Mob violence did not only occur in the US, We were attacked by mobs and police in Georgia, and other lands.

Georgia : HUMAN RIGHTS DEVELOPMENTS
Government pressure on a popular independent television station caused mass street protests in late October 2001, to which President Shevardnadze responded by dismissing the entire government. The government's failure to combat crippling levels of corruption, improve living conditions, and resolve the ongoing energy crisis stoked social tension. Law enforcement agencies acquiesced in rising religious violence, and police corruption led to human rights abuses.

Georgian authorities allowed organized groups of civilian militants to conduct a sustained campaign of violent assaults and intimidation against members of several non-Orthodox religious faiths, chiefly Jehovah's Witnesses, Pentacostalists, and Baptists. The assailants broke up religious services, beat congregants, ransacked or looted homes and property, and destroyed religious literature. Vasili Mkalavishvili, a defrocked Georgian Orthodox priest who led most of the attacks, justified them by claiming that charismatic faiths were defiling Georgia's nationhood and religious tradition. He boasted of receiving assistance from the police and security services. Emboldened by the inaction or complicity of prosecutors and police, and by a February Supreme Court decision to deregister the Jehovah's Witnesses as a legal entity in Georgia, the frequency of mob attacks rose in 2001. The Jehovah's Witnesses reported more than forty attacks on their adherents in the first half of the year. Police failed to protect endangered worshippers and in at least one case, played an active role in the attacks. Police on February 27 forced open a gate to a courtyard in Tbilisi where several hundred Jehovah's Witnesses had been worshipping, allowing Mkalavishvili and his followers to rush in and beat the congregants with clubs, large crosses, and Bibles.

During World War II, Jehovah's Witnesses were targeted in the United States, Canada, and many other countries because they refused to serve in the military or contribute to the war effort due to their doctrine of political neutrality. In Canada, Jehovah's Witnesses were interned in camps along with political dissidents and people of Japanese and Chinese descent.

Jehovah's Witness members have been imprisoned in many countries for their refusal of conscription or compulsory military service. Their religious activities are currently banned or restricted in some countries, including Singapore, China, Vietnam, Russia and many Muslim-majority countries.

Here is something to think about...
Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union
Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities brutally suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on State interests. Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union. However, most religions were never officially outlawed.

The state advocated the destruction of religion, and to achieve this goal, it officially denounced religious beliefs as superstitious and backward. The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues, and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism," with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers. According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million. And at least 106,300 Russian clergymen were executed during the Great Purge. Religious beliefs and practices persisted among the majority of the population, not only in the domestic and private spheres but also in the scattered public spaces which were allowed to exist by a state that recognized its failure to eradicate religion and the political dangers of an unrelenting culture war.

Why would you think that this would not repeat itself, but on a grander scale?
When we look through this thread alone, or even these forums, we see how vehemently some Atheist express their feelings about backward religious beliefs, and the promotion of science belief, and Atheism being a moral society. Even you seem to have hinted at that, if I am not mistaken.

Does it seem far-fetched?
The Bible says, it's going to happen, on an unbelievable scale. It also says it cannot be stopped. It's imminent.
The Bible explains why, in Revelation 17.
Particularly verse 17 says... For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought. . .

So, while it may seem to persons, unrealistic.
History shows it's not, and the Bible gives the reason for it.

I notice none of this relates to how atheists in the USA pose a threat to anyone.

If you want to compare body counts of atheists and theists, that's fine for it's own thread. I'll note here that if religion is as moral as it claims their body count should be zero. It sure isn't. And theists need to answer for that.

Or we could talk about why Southern Baptists of the Confederate States of America fought so hard to keep black people enslaved. That would be a fun one.

 

[F1fan]

I think you tend to be the one boxing things.
Atheistic societies and systems are not all Atheists.

Boxing things? You mean using proper definitions and accurate contexts and being objective?

 

[nPeace]

I notice none of this relates to how atheists in the USA pose a threat to anyone.

If you want to compare body counts of atheists and theists, that's fine for it's own thread. I'll note here that if religion is as moral as it claims their body count should be zero. It sure isn't. And theists need to answer for that.

Or we could talk about why Southern Baptists of the Confederate States of America fought so hard to keep black people enslaved. That would be a fun one.

Did you say Atheists or non-theists?
I don't know who makes the claim that religious people = moral. I certainly haven't.

 

[nPeace]

Boxing things? You mean using proper definitions and accurate contexts and being objective?

No, I mean you are the one putting thing in a box. I didn't.

 

[F1fan]

Did you say Atheists or non-theists?

It means the same. I often write "non-theist" because many who try to vilify those who don't believe in religious concepts. The word "atheist" has a lot of baggage, so "non-theist" takes way some of the bias.

It's good you noticed.

I don't know who makes the claim that religious people = moral. I certainly haven't.

It's a common belief and claim that religious people more moral because they believe in a God and have a moral framework. It's often assumed that atheists don't have morals. It's not accurate. After all, theists are often immoral and they have religion.

 

[F1fan]

No, I mean you are the one putting thing in a box. I didn't.

I'm not sure what thing you think I'm putting in a box.

 

[nPeace]

It means the same. I often write "non-theist" because many who try to vilify those who don't believe in religious concepts. The word "atheist" has a lot of baggage, so "non-theist" takes way some of the bias.

It's good you noticed.

Have you not put all non-theist in a box with Atheists?
Are all non-theist Atheists?

It's a common belief and claim that religious people more moral because they believe in a God and have a moral framework. It's often assumed that atheists don't have morals. It's not accurate. After all, theists are often immoral and they have religion.

So you put all religious people in this box as well?
Why not do a survey on RF, and prove that claim.
Ask all the theists on these forums if they assume that atheists don't have morals, or if they think they are more moral than Atheists.

I'm no betting man, but you would lose if I were.

 

[nPeace]

I'm not sure what thing you think I'm putting in a box.

I said Atheists societies and systems, and you said, "Your attempt to put all atheists into a box..."
You are putting Atheists societies and systems in a box marked "All Atheists". When Atheists societies and systems do not mean all Atheists.

Does that help?

 

[F1fan]

Have you not put all non-theist in a box with Atheists?
Are all non-theist Atheists?

It means the same thing.

So you put all religious people in this box as well?

I am referring to theists who volunteer to debate. But there are behavioral patterns that theists have in common.

Why not do a survey on RF, and prove that claim.
Ask all the theists on these forums if they assume that atheists don't have morals, or if they think they are more moral than Atheists.

Why? I only noted that theists have claimed that atheists can't be moral because they aren't religious. It's absurd and I';ll give credit to theists who never claimed this.

I'm no betting man, but you would lose if I were.

I don't see how you're winning anything.

 

[F1fan]

I said Atheists societies and systems, and you said, "Your attempt to put all atheists into a box..."
You are putting Atheists societies and systems in a box marked "All Atheists". When Atheists societies and systems do not mean all Atheists.

Does that help?

This is similar to the "atheists can't be moral" reference. I've heard theists refer to the violence of Communist states as being the result of them being atheists, and all atheists having this shadow over them somehow. Of course you don't go this far explaining this, it's all implied by just bringing it up.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It's not a study?


So is it known, or is it an ongoing process?
So what is known then... science or what is studied?
Building on hypotheses and theories of what is known until the idea becomes more accurate? So it's not accurate. It's not known to be accurate. Isn't that so?
Facts are known.


History of atheism - Wikipedia


Not sure what you are trying to say here, but Atheistic societies and systems are not limited to Communism.
Why did you bring up the moral issue? Do you wish to discuss it?


Gladly. (It's lengthy, but I don't like to leave gaps)
Did you read up on the Armenian genocide?

History of persecution on religion
c. 30-50 AD
In the first century, the religious leaders banded together to get the Romans to stamp out the founder of Christianity (Matthew 7:1, 2).
After Jesus death, persecution mounted against the Christian followers of Christ, instigated and led by religious leaders and supporters, who tried to get the Romans to imprison and kill Jesus disciples. - Acts 16:19-21 ; Acts 17:6, 7 ; Acts 9:1, 2

This is not to say that religious people have not been involved, but to demonstrate how "non-theists" get involved

The persecution of Christians can be historically traced from the first century of the Christian era to the present day. Christian missionaries and converts to Christianity have both been targeted for persecution, sometimes to the point of being martyred for their faith, ever since the emergence of Christianity. Since the emergence of Christian states in Late Antiquity, Christians have also been persecuted by other Christians due to differences in doctrine which have been declared heretical.

Early Christians were persecuted at the hands of both the Jews, from whose religion Christianity arose, and the Romans who controlled many of the early centers of Christianity in the Roman Empire.

19th century onward...
Throughout the history of Jehovah's Witnesses, their beliefs, doctrines, policies and practices have engendered controversy and opposition from governments, communities, and religious groups. Many Christian denominations consider their doctrines to be heretical, and some religious leaders have labeled Jehovah's Witnesses a cult. Members of the denomination have also met with objection from governments for refusing to serve in the military, particularly in times of war. Many individuals consider their door-to-door preaching to be intrusive. These issues have led to persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in various countries, including the United States.

Political and religious animosity against the Witnesses has occasionally led to mob action and government oppression. According to former United States Solicitor General, Archibald Cox, Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States were "the principal victims of religious persecution ... in the twentieth century," and added that, "they began to attract attention and provoke repression in the 1930s, when their proselytizing and numbers rapidly increased.

Mob violence did not only occur in the US, We were attacked by mobs and police in Georgia, and other lands.

Georgia : HUMAN RIGHTS DEVELOPMENTS
Government pressure on a popular independent television station caused mass street protests in late October 2001, to which President Shevardnadze responded by dismissing the entire government. The government's failure to combat crippling levels of corruption, improve living conditions, and resolve the ongoing energy crisis stoked social tension. Law enforcement agencies acquiesced in rising religious violence, and police corruption led to human rights abuses.

Georgian authorities allowed organized groups of civilian militants to conduct a sustained campaign of violent assaults and intimidation against members of several non-Orthodox religious faiths, chiefly Jehovah's Witnesses, Pentacostalists, and Baptists. The assailants broke up religious services, beat congregants, ransacked or looted homes and property, and destroyed religious literature. Vasili Mkalavishvili, a defrocked Georgian Orthodox priest who led most of the attacks, justified them by claiming that charismatic faiths were defiling Georgia's nationhood and religious tradition. He boasted of receiving assistance from the police and security services. Emboldened by the inaction or complicity of prosecutors and police, and by a February Supreme Court decision to deregister the Jehovah's Witnesses as a legal entity in Georgia, the frequency of mob attacks rose in 2001. The Jehovah's Witnesses reported more than forty attacks on their adherents in the first half of the year. Police failed to protect endangered worshippers and in at least one case, played an active role in the attacks. Police on February 27 forced open a gate to a courtyard in Tbilisi where several hundred Jehovah's Witnesses had been worshipping, allowing Mkalavishvili and his followers to rush in and beat the congregants with clubs, large crosses, and Bibles.

During World War II, Jehovah's Witnesses were targeted in the United States, Canada, and many other countries because they refused to serve in the military or contribute to the war effort due to their doctrine of political neutrality. In Canada, Jehovah's Witnesses were interned in camps along with political dissidents and people of Japanese and Chinese descent.

Jehovah's Witness members have been imprisoned in many countries for their refusal of conscription or compulsory military service. Their religious activities are currently banned or restricted in some countries, including Singapore, China, Vietnam, Russia and many Muslim-majority countries.

Here is something to think about...
Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union
Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities brutally suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on State interests. Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union. However, most religions were never officially outlawed.

The state advocated the destruction of religion, and to achieve this goal, it officially denounced religious beliefs as superstitious and backward. The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues, and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism," with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers. According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million. And at least 106,300 Russian clergymen were executed during the Great Purge. Religious beliefs and practices persisted among the majority of the population, not only in the domestic and private spheres but also in the scattered public spaces which were allowed to exist by a state that recognized its failure to eradicate religion and the political dangers of an unrelenting culture war.

Why would you think that this would not repeat itself, but on a grander scale?
When we look through this thread alone, or even these forums, we see how vehemently some Atheist express their feelings about backward religious beliefs, and the promotion of science belief, and Atheism being a moral society. Even you seem to have hinted at that, if I am not mistaken.

Does it seem far-fetched?
The Bible says, it's going to happen, on an unbelievable scale. It also says it cannot be stopped. It's imminent.
The Bible explains why, in Revelation 17.
Particularly verse 17 says... For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought. . .

So, while it may seem to persons, unrealistic.
History shows it's not, and the Bible gives the reason for it.

What about persecution of Christians by other Christians? That happens to.

 

[nPeace]

It means the same thing.

That certainly is not relevant.
An agnostic is not an Atheist, nor a theist.
The point is all non-theists are not Atheists.

I am referring to theists who volunteer to debate. But there are behavioral patterns that theists have in common.

There are behavioral patterns that all people have in common.

Why? I only noted that theists have claimed that atheists can't be moral because they aren't religious. It's absurd and I';ll give credit to theists who never claimed this.

I don't see how you're winning anything.

Most Atheist - if not all - have had some religious background or raised by someone with certain religious values, which is why they tend to have certain morals.
The religious people who are immoral, are often lacking certain values because they choose to go against certain religious values, or are not taught them... like any other human being.
It's not about being religious. It about the values taught.

This is similar to the "atheists can't be moral" reference. I've heard theists refer to the violence of Communist states as being the result of them being atheists, and all atheists having this shadow over them somehow. Of course you don't go this far explaining this, it's all implied by just bringing it up.

You did say Atheist are non-theists.
Who tries to stamp out religion? Not non-theists?

 

[Fallen Prophet]

It is really a phenomenon, when Jews are in danger, then there is great noise in Europe and in the USA, but the persecution of Christians is ignored. Even the situation of Muslims in China has more attention; I wonder if Europe and the USA are still really Christian. Currently, Christians are indeed the most persecuted group in the world and have been for years and it gets little attention.
Open Doors International

"We welcome the report of the Bishop of Truro and the efforts of the Foreign Secretary in creating awareness around the plight of persecuted Christians all over the world. Christians are the most persecuted religious group and it is time that the UK government no longer turn a blind eye to this fact but commits to protecting their rights. The report outlines human rights abuses including extreme violence, threats, enslavement, kidnappings, rape, and even genocide." said Ryan Christopher

"Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or trouble, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? Just as it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; We were regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us." said Paul the Apostle

The liberal "elites" have provided an "Oppressed Hierarchy" of sorts - and Christians are at the bottom.