Why are they ignoring the persecution of Christians?

[shunyadragon]

Open Doors International is a trustworthy source.

No

 

[Alex22]

He is not a historian. I know who he is. He was a leader of the Greek pagan movement in Greece, which tends to be very anti-Christian, him especially. I've never seen sources cited for his claims. It's a bit of a Greek pagan version of the Wiccan "burning times" myth.

Greco-Roman paganism was already moribund by the time Christianity came on the scene as a cultural force.

I got his email, I'll ask him where he got his sources right now. WHy shouldn't they be anti-Christian? They still suffer from persecution by the government and church.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It is really a phenomenon, when Jews are in danger, then there is great noise in Europe and in the USA, but the persecution of Christians is ignored. Even the situation of Muslims in China has more attention; I wonder if Europe and the USA are still really Christian. Currently, Christians are indeed the most persecuted group in the world and have been for years and it gets little attention.
Open Doors International

"We welcome the report of the Bishop of Truro and the efforts of the Foreign Secretary in creating awareness around the plight of persecuted Christians all over the world. Christians are the most persecuted religious group and it is time that the UK government no longer turn a blind eye to this fact but commits to protecting their rights. The report outlines human rights abuses including extreme violence, threats, enslavement, kidnappings, rape, and even genocide." said Ryan Christopher

"Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or trouble, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? Just as it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; We were regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us." said Paul the Apostle

From a personal standpoint as a Christian, the only people that have ever persecuted me were other Christians. So I may not be in tune with it more globally.

 

[YoursTrue]

Persecution of Christians is rare. To the extent that persecution of Christians is an issue at all, it's often at the hands of other Christians.

Edit: when it comes to persecution, Christianity is much more often the one giving it out than the one taking it.

Not to say because of religious persecution, but many people calling themselves Christians were killing other people also called Christians during World Wars I and II.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Not to say because of religious persecution, but many people calling themselves Christians were killing other people also called Christians during World Wars I and II.

I have noticed that same thing on this forum. Some people claiming to be Christian attack others that claim to be Christian. Mostly, it seems over details and not out of any actual ability to know who is and who is not Christian. Personally, I leave the up to God, since none of us have the ability to know.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I got his email, I'll ask him where he got his sources right now. WHy shouldn't they be anti-Christian? They still suffer from persecution by the government and church.

Greece has many different problems. No, they aren't "persecuted" there. They were recognized as a religion with constitutional protections in 2017.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Hi,

Persecussion of JW in Russia
February 24, 2021
Abakan City Court of the Republic of Khakassia sentences Valentina Baranovskaya to two years in prison and her son, Roman Baranovskiy, to six years in prison.

February 10, 2021
Abinskiy District Court of the Krasnodar Territory sentences Aleksandr Ivshin to seven and a half years in prison.

September 2, 2020
Berezovsky City Court of the Kemerovo Region sentences Sergey Britvin and Vadim Levchuk to four years in prison.

August 3, 2020
Pskov Regional Court rules to release Gennady Shpakovskiy from prison. It upholds his conviction but changes his six-and-a-half-year prison sentence to probation for the same term.

July 13, 2020
Mass searches of at least 100 Witness homes in the Voronezh and Belgorod regions.

June 9, 2020
Pskov City Court convicts 61-year-old Gennady Shpakovskiy and sentences him to six and a half years in prison.

February 6, 2020
Five of the six Witnesses convicted on September 19, 2019, are transferred to Penal Colony No. 1 in Orenburg. When they arrive, prison guards beat them severely—kicking them repeatedly and hitting them with clubs. Mr. Makhammadiyev suffers a broken rib, a collapsed lung, and kidney damage.

Is this persecution? There are no details of the cases. Just the sentences handed out. Some of those places treat prisoners pretty bad regardless of what religious view they may hold.

 

[Alex22]

Greece has many different problems. No, they aren't "persecuted" there. They were recognized as a religion with constitutional protections in 2017.

You shouldn't talk about things you don't know, just the other day my friend and other people were pelted by rocks by a Orthodox mob during a ceremony.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You shouldn't talk about things you don't know, just the other day my friend and other people were pelted by rocks by a Orthodox mob during a ceremony.

I'm sorry about that, but even so, that's not evidence of persecution. Bigotry, yes. People being dicks, yes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is this persecution? There are no details of the cases. Just the sentences handed out. Some of those places treat prisoners pretty bad regardless of what religious view they may hold.

I Googled one of them and found a source that is rated as having high reliability. It appears that he may have a case:

First Woman Jehovah’s Witness Sentenced to Prison in Russia - The Moscow Times

In Russia the JW sect has been declared illegal as being "extremist". That may be the case. But one should not be able to ban a religion just because they are more than a bit loony (not saying that the JW's necessarily are). According to the UN mandate that they signed onto this would be an illegal prosecution.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Oh right. @Conscious thoughts celebrating certain religious holidays, I believe, especially in Eastern religions, will be considered extremist.

Hmm...
I have managed teams of various religions and have often wished them a happy...whatever.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Not to say because of religious persecution, but many people calling themselves Christians were killing other people also called Christians during World Wars I and II.

The Troubles in Ireland...

 

[YoursTrue]

The Troubles in Ireland...

Yup.

 

[Estro Felino]

Persecution of Christians is rare. To the extent that persecution of Christians is an issue at all, it's often at the hands of other Christians.

Quite the opposite....I'd say
In my country, for examples, all Christians Churches are more united than ever. I am speaking of Protestants, Mormons, Catholics, Orthodox.
Because globalization and mass society clearly make feel Christians more and more isolated.

 

[YoursTrue]

I Googled one of them and found a source that is rated as having high reliability. It appears that he may have a case:

First Woman Jehovah’s Witness Sentenced to Prison in Russia - The Moscow Times

In Russia the JW sect has been declared illegal as being "extremist". That may be the case. But one should not be able to ban a religion just because they are more than a bit loony (not saying that the JW's necessarily are). According to the UN mandate that they signed onto this would be an illegal prosecution.

When I wrote my term paper in college, I studied the U.N. Charter, thinking at the time how glowing and glorious it was. At least it sounded that way. I wrote about it. But then I was very young. I now can see that the nations do not agree, they do not adhere to their own proclaimed standards among and between the nations.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I believe that there is a lot of evil that goes in on in the world. We can’t change every wrong in the world. I do believe that we can make a good difference in the world though.

Well it's good, in my perception, that you may believe that - but again, the new testament preaches about a broken, irreparable world, if I read it correctly. It is a problem, because it makes every act of good, I suppose, into a deontological act, as opposed to a more fully reactive act. An act of good, in the former format, seems to serve the salvation of an individual, but it dissolves in the physical plane. I don't know, in my opinion if christianity helps someone do good, they ought to keep their religion. But the secular description of 'good' is not the same, as it recognizes an aim to change the physical world, which might be the only world, in the secular view. However, a religion such a christianity does have a few points in its favor, regarding its attitude about the concept of 'doing good..' And that is, that it you do temper it with a more a realistic attitude, whereas a secular attitude may become too idealistic

 

[Heyo]

Is this persecution? There are no details of the cases. Just the sentences handed out. Some of those places treat prisoners pretty bad regardless of what religious view they may hold.

JWs are persecuted in authoritarian, militaristic regimes, not for being Christians (other Christian sects are fine) but for being pacifists. You can't start a war with pacifists.

 

[RestlessSoul]

When I wrote my term paper in college, I studied the U.N. Charter, thinking at the time how glowing and glorious it was. At least it sounded that way. I wrote about it. But then I was very young. I now can see that the nations do not agree, they do not adhere to their own proclaimed standards among and between the nations.

It’s a sad fact that humans consistently fail to live up to our stated ideals. It’s still good to have those ideals, though, and to have them written down in words. Because words have power.
Take, for example;

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal...

Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite

This is your world

Love each other as I have loved you


Everywhere we see people falling short of these standards, but the ideals themselves represent the best of us.
That we humans aspire to be better than we often are, speaks well of us I think.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

JWs are persecuted in authoritarian, militaristic regimes, not for being Christians (other Christian sects are fine) but for being pacifists. You can't start a war with pacifists.

That seems like it would be persecution of pacifists rather than specifically Christians, since pacifists can just about be any religion or none.

 

[F1fan]

One possible source of evidence would be to count all the insults and propaganda undermining toward religion on this forum. There is always someone who tries to undermine somebody's faith. We can then compare the number of Christianity insults with all the rest of the religions. Christianity is the main target of these groups. There far more undermining attacks on Jesus than on Buddha or Muhammad.

Actually there are no actual attacks of these characters of history. What you seem to be seeing is how Christians are more often criticized for their belief in a rather irrational set of concepts. The more fervent the Christians the more they tend to push their beliefs, and the more pushback they receive.

In the USA, there is an attack on religion, in general. This is done mostly by leftist in government and media. They also tend to target Christianity more than others. Most of the lawsuits about separation of church and state go after Chrisian traditions such as Christmas displays in publics areas. It is taboo to wish someone Merry Christmas based on pressure from the PC police. The other religions are not targeted the same way. The other religions tend to be targeted in pockets, by some unhealthy individuals. The organized assault with money goes after Christianity.

The USA has a high level of religious affiliation (but it's dropping). The issue isn't so much religion, but right wing Christianity that has become more and more involved in politics and social issues. Through the 90's right wing Christians tried to push creationism in public schools through various measures. In Kansas they got majority of the school board and tried to limit the teaching of evolution. Was the push back against these people was deemed persecution? No.

And the whole Christmas nonsenses is an invented controversy by right wing media. Right wing media and republicans just exploited Christianity for their own rhetoric. It's absurd.

In the US government, the vast majority of employees are leftist.

Really? Communists run American politics? I had no idea.

But your claim here illustrates why right wing Christians end up being criticized, it's the inaccurate and extreme embellishment that just begs for push back and correction.

The bureaucratic swamp is left wing; lifetime employees.

Thank God no republican stays in politics more than a few terms (Grassly, McConnel, etc.), right?

People on the right are more entrepreneurial and tend to seek jobs in the private sector.

Like Cantor who got a great job in a right wing think tank, after he was kicked out of office by a more extreme candidate, right? Or Paul Ryan after he got kicked out. And what is trump doing now that he was kicked out?

This means career positions in the diplomat corp tend to be leftist, and they will not do anything about those who attack Christians, such as in some Muslim countries in Africa. Fake news which is mostly leftist, will not report this or dwell on it, since it does not go against their program.

Kinda odd that most Democrats are Christian, too.

So if you claim to be a Christians we can look at your dishonesty in this post as a reason why Christians can't be trusted. it's on you to be ethical and show others that Christians are good people. Just like credit, use it well and you establish trust, but ruin your credit? It's on you.