Why do believe that ?The point is simple... The words of Jesus are Gospel MORE SO then the words of Paul!
You accept Paul's words rejecting Jesus' words! This is the point!!
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Why do believe that ?The point is simple... The words of Jesus are Gospel MORE SO then the words of Paul!
You accept Paul's words rejecting Jesus' words! This is the point!!
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified,
.Why do believe that ?
Your going to far forward. Rom 10 ,9 is appealing to lost people to believe . Then if you read Eph 1.13 this happens immediately after the believing from the heart .Yup right on... "LOVE"!
Barry Johnson Love is an action of "The Heart"!
To love you can't sit on your hands... To love someone you MUST let go of self put yourself out for another person or God! Jesus loved us by taking our place in death!
The Sheep loved by GIVING to others!
The Goats refused to love they had faith ALONE no actions!
1 John 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
Do you see it....??? "DOING RIGHT makes a person righteous!" The Sheep were righteous.. 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
The Goats did nothing.... Faith is ACTION-LESS! No one can have faith ALONE to be saved!
20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?
24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
For it is with your heart (BY YOUR LOVE) that you believe and are justified!!!
Yup right on... "LOVE"!
Barry Johnson Love is an action of "The Heart"!
To love you can't sit on your hands... To love someone you MUST let go of self put yourself out for another person or God! Jesus loved us by taking our place in death!
The Sheep loved by GIVING to others!
The Goats refused to love they had faith ALONE no actions!
1 John 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
Do you see it....??? "DOING RIGHT makes a person righteous!" The Sheep were righteous.. 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
The Goats did nothing.... Faith is ACTION-LESS! No one can have faith ALONE to be saved!
20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?
24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
For it is with your heart (BY YOUR LOVE) that you believe and are justified!!!
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I believe it simply because; your rejecting Jesus' words just as the Jews did! "How can this man give us his flesh to eat"!?
Barry Johnson God can give us his flesh to eat by taking the form of Bread! Faith tells us: God can do all things even take the form of bread!
Your god is NOT almighty.. Your god has limits placed on what he can and what he can't do! The Christians God.. The God of the Catholic is almighty! The Apostles were the first Catholics.. Judas was the first man to protest (protestant) against Jesus! Judas was a hypocrite pretending to be a Christians, he rejected the words of Jesus!
"My flesh is real food, my blood is real drink!"
.Your going to far forward. Rom 10 ,9 is appealing to lost people to believe . Then if you read Eph 1.13 this happens immediately after the believing from the heart .
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Dogknox20 said: ↑
The point is simple... The words of Jesus are Gospel MORE SO then the words of Paul!//
I meant ,why do you believe this?
Yes ,in Eph 1.13 it is addressing already saved people who did Romans 10.9 . Paul is telling them what happened when they believed . That they are sealed unto the day of redemption. They have the permanent indwelling of the Holy spirit . They cannot be lost . They cannot lose salvation, because the Holy Spirit permanently indwells until Glorification..
Eph 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
Barry Johnson When you believed???? Past Tense... Paul is addressing BELIEVERS people who have accepted the message!
Acts 2 comes before Eph 13....
LOOK..... marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
Barry Johnson 3000 believed (3000 accepted "the Message of truth") and were ADDED to the body of Jesus by baptism!
Paul is talking to Christians those people that believed the MESSAGE.. "Be baptized and receive the GIFT of God.. "The Holy Spirit!
1 John 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
Barry Johnson Believing from the heart is believing with LOVE!
Believing from the heart is believing with ACTIONS! There is no two ways around it!! Actions of DOING RIGHT; Just as the Sheep DO RIGHT!
Barry Johnson You can't "DO RIGHT" doing nothing! The Faith ALONE Goats "Do nothing" they are Satan's Children because they don't believe from the heart!
Eph 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth! Barry Johnson What is the MESSAGE?
Barry Johnson The MESSAGE IS "Be Baptized be saved"!
Acts 2:41 Those who accepted his message were baptized,
No , I meant why do you think the words in the Gospels are more important than the words in Paul's letters ? They are both God breathed ect ..
WHY????
I believe it because I KNOW beyond all doubt.. "God cannot lie"!
Lets look at it.... "My flesh is real food, my blood is real drink"! Christians have always believed this because they are the words of "The WORD made flesh"!
Barry Johnson "I believe in Jesus"! Do you believes "My flesh is real food, my blood is real drink"!? NO YOU DON'T! Just like the Jews you also say.. "How can this man give us his flesh to eat"?! You say.. "Cannibalism"!
There is a difference between you and me!
I believe in Jesus.. I am a believer! .... whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. &
32 He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. 33 Whoever has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. &
46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”
I received the GIFT when I was baptized I BELIEVE in Jesus I will have eternal life!
These also are words of Jesus.. 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? etc
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
I believe DOING RIGHT is believing from the heart.. It is in hearing the message of truth; "The Gospel of salvation" is believing the words of Jesus ALL OF THEM!! Again I point out....The teaching of saved by ONLY Faith is NOT gospel it is a man made TRADITION first appearing 1700 years AFTER Jesus!
Absolutely false, and it seems you believe that there's a "shortcut" in order to get through the "narrow gate". Each reference and quote I made was from the NT, not the OT.A Christian is not under the law . Love of God and Neighbour was given to Israel.
The Christian Science church was started by Mary Baker Eddy.
The Foursquare church was started by Aimee Semple McPherson.
That's not what the Parable of the Seed & the Sower says:They cannot lose salvation, because the Holy Spirit permanently indwells until Glorification.
That's quite obvious.Yes I don't follow ' theologians ' .
Again, I said previously that the word "pope" wasn't used until later in Christian history.Which verse would you like to discuss where Paul says there will be popes like we see in Roman Catholicism?
There was "tradition" that Paul refers to that the Church used and referred to:The term ' appoint ' . Ok which verse says anything remotely what we see in Roman Catholicism? This is not biblical . Its ' tradition ' created by Rome .
I sincerely hope you are just kidding around with this.//Christian scriptures// ? What does that even mean ?
//Absolutely false, and it seems you believe that there's a "shortcut" in order to get through the "narrow gate". Each reference and quote I made was from the NT, not the OT.
IOW, what you've done is to basically endorse "rocking-chair religion"-- just sit back and have nice thoughts with nothing else being needed. Maybe it's time to find a denomination that teaches that there are no shortcuts to salvation.
Authority , miracles, healings , casting out demons ect are given to confirm the message to the Jews ( Jews require a sign ) After wards the Holy Spirit is given , then later the transition shifts to the gentiles. We don't see these same gifts given to the Church in any epistles .That's quite obvious.
Are you an expert in ancient Hebrew and/or Koine Greek? How about early Jewish history and culture?
Again, I said previously that the word "pope" wasn't used until later in Christian history.
There was "tradition" that Paul refers to that the Church used and referred to:
1Cor.11[2] I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.
2Thes.2[15] So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
2Thes.3[6] Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.
Also, Jesus said this to Peter and the others:
Matthew16[18] And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
[note the underlined part] So, logically speaking, why would Jesus give this authority to the Apostles if it all of what Jesus commanded was to end after the Apostles were gone?
Its not until Acts 11 is there a focus on Gentiles .I sincerely hope you are just kidding around with this.
' Christian scripture ' ? explain?I sincerely hope you are just kidding around with this.
Who said anything about "long winded"?This assumes there is a LONG route. ? Where does it say to the Church that salvation is long winded .
Now you've stepped right into anti-Semitism.Authority , miracles, healings , casting out demons ect are given to confirm the message to the Jews ( Jews require a sign ) After wards the Holy Spirit is given , then later the transition shifts to the gentiles. We don't see these same gifts given to the Church in any epistles .
It's called the "New Testament".' Christian scripture ' ? explain?