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Landlords upset ...

Stevicus

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I would be careful when you say that "all landlords" capitalists because that is the Fallacy of Hasty Generalization and the Fallacy of Jumping to conclusions.

We did not purchase either of our two rental homes with the intention of renting them out to make money. The one rental was our residence for 17 years and we moved because we needed a larger house at that time, but that was in 2008 when everything tanked so we could not sell that house for what it was worth so we decided to keep it and rent it out because one cannot have a house that sits vacant...

We purchased the other house for a vacation home and an investment since I had lost my job die to state budget cuts and I got demoted into a much lower level position with much less pay... We had to rent the vacation house because one cannot have a vacant house since insurance won't cover it.

Technically, if you're making an investment, that can be considered a capitalistic venture, so I wasn't entirely incorrect. Granted, you wouldn't be at the same level as other capitalists who are the movers and shakers in society and exert a great deal of influence over media and government.

As I explained in a post above to Revoltingest, my dad and step-mom kept their old house when they needed a bigger house. But it was a lot of headache, and after 10 years of doing that, they called it quits. It was more trouble than it was worth. From what you've been saying about your own experience, it seems the same - more trouble than it's worth. Why go through all that? It just seems like a big headache. Is it really worth it?
 

Stevicus

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And I had to put up with tenants who threatened to kill
people on my staff, who called my staff the "n" word,
who burned down a house, who destroyed a house
by....you get the picture. Demonize landlord...I can
demonize tenants. Public policy shouldn't be based
upon stories to stereotype.

Well, I don't know what to say to this. As for demonizing tenants...they're your customers, aren't they? Without customers, a business has no income, yet you seem to have such contempt towards them.

My beef with capitalists is for what they do to others, not what they do to me. I'm unimportant. It's the society at large that matters to me.

As for these tenants who did all these things, I believe you. The world is full of scummy people. Some of them are landlords, some of them are tenants, and some of them are capitalists.

But think about it this way: If socialists were the landlords over everything, it would be a lot easier to deal with most of these scummy people.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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Well, I don't know what to say to this. As for demonizing tenants...they're your customers, aren't they? Without customers, a business has no income, yet you seem to have such contempt towards them.
Hey, you're the one who keeps saying nasty things
about landlords to justify public policy to penalize them.
I added some balance.
My beef with capitalists is for what they do to others, not what they do to me. I'm unimportant. It's the society at large that matters to me.
You've nothing better to offer than capitalism.
And tenants would have no place to live without landlords.
As for these tenants who did all these things, I believe you. The world is full of scummy people. Some of them are landlords, some of them are tenants, and some of them are capitalists.

But think about it this way: If socialists were the landlords over everything, it would be a lot easier to deal with most of these scummy people.
Socialist countries have a terrible record for housing.
Ameristanian housing would be the envy of tenants
in N Korea.
 

Stevicus

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Hey, you're the one who keeps saying nasty things
about landlords to justify public policy to penalize them.
I added some balance.

Penalize them? No, my position is that, at least in the present situation, government should compensate them for their losses. From what I've been reading so far, it seems to be quite a cluster****, with a lot of government forms and bureaucracy - and the apparent need for the tenant to fill out paperwork. That seems a great deal of hassle. I never advocated that. My point has been, if the money is there and already earmarked and authorized, then it should be distributed to those it was intended.

As for my long-term proposals, those would be better implemented after the revolution has taken place.

You've nothing better to offer than capitalism.
And tenants would have no place to live without landlords.

Just because you say it isn't better doesn't make it so. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

Humans have had places to live for as long as they've existed, long before we ever thought up concepts like "tenant" and "landlord." Even the term "lord" is feudalistic.

Socialist countries have a terrible record for housing.
Ameristanian housing would be the envy of tenants
in N Korea.

Depends on what class we're talking about. I would imagine Kim Jong-un's residence is better than the average dwelling in South Tucson. Crime rate would be worse at any rate.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Technically, if you're making an investment, that can be considered a capitalistic venture, so I wasn't entirely incorrect. Granted, you wouldn't be at the same level as other capitalists who are the movers and shakers in society and exert a great deal of influence over media and government.
I do not fit the definition of a capitalist. I do not even like capitalism.

capitalist: a wealthy person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism.
what is a capitalist - Google Search
As I explained in a post above to Revoltingest, my dad and step-mom kept their old house when they needed a bigger house. But it was a lot of headache, and after 10 years of doing that, they called it quits. It was more trouble than it was worth. From what you've been saying about your own experience, it seems the same - more trouble than it's worth. Why go through all that? It just seems like a big headache. Is it really worth it?
That happens to a lot of people, that just cannot deal with the hassle of having tenants anymore so they sell their rentals. If was ever going to do that I would have done it because of our rental house on town, not the one where the tenants owes me over 14,000, since that is the worst of it and I think I will get my money eventually.

Try to imagine something worse than that and then you will know what it was like at our rental that used to be our residence from 1992 till 2009. I lived and learned my lessons so that rental house is is in a stable situation and has been for about two years, with tenants always paying rent on time and taking care of the property, and one tenant even did a lot of upgrades because he was a contractor. That rental has had its ups and downs, about 50-50; when I had good tenants they were very good but when I had bad tenants they were very bad. The worst was three years ago when I rented to a level 2 sex offender who had two offenses, stupid me, and he ended up trying to sue me for 50,000, claiming his health was 'damaged' by mold. If I had not had a good insurance company I would have been in realm big trouble, but their attorney took care of everything and I never had to pay a dime. I was just lucky, but for over a year I had that hanging over my head like a pall.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
There are as many bad landlords as there are bad tenants.
Neither tenant nor landlord, that do not meet their obligations to the other.
deserve any better than they get.

However the poor have to live somewhere and they usually end up being ripped off by slum landlords in appalling conditions. Some ride the system in a criminal way, and take advantage of well meaning landlords, and eventually walk away from quite fantastic debts.

Like any other business being a landlord require a very strict control of credit and cash flow.

However I would suggest that a landlords biggest losses are to people and businesses, that otherwise seem respectable, and rent high value property, only to run up large debts and then declare themselves bankrupt and walk away from their obligations.
 

Stevicus

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Their pointfulness is about conditions under which most live.
Socialism's conditions are dismal.
They can't even compare with the splendor & value I offer.

It's all relative. The average worker gets two rooms and a bath in America, same as in socialist countries. The only thing you can say is that wealthy people don't live as well in socialist countries, but why is that an issue? Why does that matter? Are wealthy people so insecure that they feel the need to have more than everyone else? Is that a positive and healthy view towards running a society?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's all relative. The average worker gets two rooms and a bath in America, same as in socialist countries. The only thing you can say is that wealthy people don't live as well in socialist countries, but why is that an issue? Why does that matter? Are wealthy people so insecure that they feel the need to have more than everyone else? Is that a positive and healthy view towards running a society?
You're claiming that housing is equivalent for the average
worker in Ameristan & socialist countries? This sure does
conflict with what I hear from people I've met who lived in
USSR & eastern European socialist countries.
 

Stevicus

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You're claiming that housing is equivalent for the average
worker in Ameristan & socialist countries? This sure does
conflict with what I hear from people I've met who lived in
USSR & eastern European socialist countries.

You can't believe everything you hear.

The basic structure is the same - I've seen it. The typical apartment has a living room, bedrooms, bathroom, kitchen, and dining area, which is pretty much what the average person can expect in America.
 

Suave

Simulated character
How about a link to a reliable source that shows how much of this promised money has actually been paid to landlords?

There has been a whole lot of talk about landlords getting some sort of compensation for the squatters, but I have as yet to talk to one who has actually received any.
I'd expect there to be an application process taking time to verify participant program eligibility status and compensatory amounts.
 
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