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Why is it so important for you to claim your belief is the only true belief?

Bree

Active Member
Again i can not speak for Allah:) if i Said, i think allah can or can not, it would be to judge Allah and I can not do that.

i think we can learn a lot from our maker, but he has nothing to learn from us as we are not his teachers. And for that reason it should be he who sets the bar for us to reach.... religions set their own bar and claim their bar is the way to God.

But I wonder what he would say about that?
 

Shakeel

Well-Known Member
Again i can not speak for Allah:) if i Said, i think allah can or can not, it would be to judge Allah and I can not do that.
Allah created you. There is nothing He doesn't know about His creation.

“Unquestionably, to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and earth. Already He knows that upon which you [stand] and [knows] the Day when they will be returned to Him and He will inform them of what they have done. And Allah is Knowing of all things.” Quran (Surah Nur, 64)
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Yeah, according to my belief, there is no physical or spiritual life after death. We live only once. What constitutes our body is chemically recycled by nature. You can take that as coming into a new life.
if so....then Man is a complete mystery on this earth
and no resolve
no purpose
extinction pending
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
What if there is only 1 path to God?
If supposedly so, then why didn't God immediately send any of His teachers throughout the entire world and then wait only until the last 2000 years to do it?
 

Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
i think we can learn a lot from our maker, but he has nothing to learn from us as we are not his teachers. And for that reason it should be he who sets the bar for us to reach.... religions set their own bar and claim their bar is the way to God.

But I wonder what he would say about that?
It is the people who created those religions who 'create the bar and claim to have found the way to God'.
Looking at Christianity though, there were many different people who expressed their ideas and built parts of the religion.
So who can say that God would agree with all of them, can you?
If so, then how can you be sure or please explain why He would.
 

Bree

Active Member
It is the people who created those religions who 'create the bar and claim to have found the way to God'.
Looking at Christianity though, there were many different people who expressed their ideas and built parts of the religion.
So who can say that God would agree with all of them, can you?
If so, then how can you be sure or please explain why He would.


If you believe that a man can create a religion, then you must also believe that God can create his own religion.

The religion created by our creator, Jehovah was first penned by Moses and the prophets of ancient isreal and in the first century of our common era it was completed with the apostles of Jesus Christ. All of these were inspired by God to lay down Gods thoughts on matters. But what people tend to do is follow their own views and advice and this is seen in all religions of the world.

In Jesus day, the religious leaders of the Jews had added to the hebrew scriptures many man-made traditions that they claimed were indispensable to the worship of God. Jesus did not agree and there is an account where he says

‘Why is it you also overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition? For example, God said, “Honor your father and your mother”; and, “Let him that reviles father or mother end up in death.” But you say, “Whoever says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever I have by which you might get benefit from me is a gift dedicated to God,’ he must not honor his father at all.” And so you have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition.’”—Matt. 15:1-6


There are many traditions in modern day christianity that are out of harmony with Gods Word the bible. But to determine who is right and who is wrong, you first need to have a pretty good grasp of the Bible and understand what Gods law actually is.
 

Bree

Active Member
If supposedly so, then why didn't God immediately send any of His teachers throughout the entire world and then wait only until the last 2000 years to do it?

Why doesn't a judge immediately hand down a sentence in a court of law? All the evidence must first be brought in and in some cases it can take years for a court to finally hand down a verdict.

It is the same with God. He has allowed time for things to unfold.

He does things at the appropriate time according to his timetable. In our day he has sent teachers out into the entire earth as foretold:
Matthew 24:14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations,+ and then the end will come.

We are living in the time of the end, most prophecies are fulfilled and there are only a small number of them we are waiting to see. How appropriate that people take the opportunity now to seek God and find him.
 
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Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
There are many traditions in modern day christianity that are out of harmony with Gods Word the bible. But to determine who is right and who is wrong, you first need to have a pretty good grasp of the Bible and understand what Gods law actually is.
Do you believe that God Himself held the hand of each author that contributed to the Christian Bible collection or directed all of their minds in a miraculously perfect way? If so you are indeed a very religious person.
 
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Bree

Active Member
Do you believe that God Himself held the hand of each author that contributed to the Christian Bible collection or directed all of their minds in a miraculously perfect way? If so you are indeed a very religious person.

Yes i do believe that! The bible writers themselves describe how they wrote the scriptures

"The spirit of Jehovah it was that spoke by me, and his word was upon my tongue.” 2 Sam. 23:1, 2

"No prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit.2 Pet. 1:20, 21

God . . . spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets.” Hebrews 1:1

We can trust the scriptures because they prove to be God Word, they are truthful, they are honest and they do not tell us what we want to hear. They tell us what we need to hear.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Why doesn't a judge immediately hand down a sentence in a court of law? All the evidence must first be brought in and in some cases it can take years for a court to finally hand down a verdict.
That doesn't relate to what I asked, so please reread what you've responded to with the above.

It is the same with God. He has allowed time for things to unfold.
If God really cares about everyone, why would He virtually ignore the vast majority of people throughout history since Jesus only appeared 2000 years ago in one little area of the world?

My position is that I think that even the earlies humans must have had some guidance, and I tend to think this "guidance" is what Love and Truth are about.
 

Shakeel

Well-Known Member
If God really cares about everyone, why would He virtually ignore the vast majority of people throughout history since Jesus only appeared 2000 years ago in one
There were plenty of messengers before Jesus or Moses. According to Islam Adam, too, was a prophet.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
There were plenty of messengers before Jesus or Moses. According to Islam Adam, too, was a prophet.
And some, such as Spinoza, Einstein, and numerous others, tend to believe that one can perceive God through "Nature", which was Spinoza's alternative name for God. Thus, even if one never heard of God, they might perceive that there's a "Something", which is why this might explain why every society that we are aware of has a large segment of their society that believes in God(s).
 

Shakeel

Well-Known Member
And some, such as Spinoza, Einstein, and numerous others, tend to believe that one can perceive God through "Nature", which was Spinoza's alternative name for God. Thus, even if one never heard of God, they might perceive that there's a "Something", which is why this might explain why every society that we are aware of has a large segment of their society that believes in God(s).
Yes, of course. And man has been created so that he worships something. If he doesn't worship God, he will worship something else.

Nevertheless, the Qur'an says at 16:36 "And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers."

So we believe that every nation was sent a messenger.
 

alypius

Active Member
But if a person say "This teaching is true because i comes from God, So no other teaching can be true and they are evil" that might lean toward a selfish statement, (in my understanding)

Could it be possible for someone to say, 'this teaching is true because it comes from God' without adding the second part about other teachings being evil?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Could it be possible for someone to say, 'this teaching is true because it comes from God' without adding the second part about other teachings being evil?
Yes that is possible, but in my understanding the statement is made personally and does not reflect every persons understanding of what is a true teaching to them.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
But why is it so dang important to "prove" to others your belief is the "exact truth" and anyone who claim different belief is a liar, fake, falls or even i heard someone call others evil for believeing differently than them self......

What has happend to spiritual/religious people? Isnt religion supposed to take away our ego and selfishness?

If someone is trying to proselytize, then it's easier to act as if there isn't a choice in the matter. Heaven or hell, turn or burn, etc.
Yes, it should take away ego, but sometimes it increases ego. Usually when it's done wrong.
 

alypius

Active Member
Yes that is possible, but in my understanding the statement is made personally and does not reflect every persons understanding of what is a true teaching to them.

When someone says, "Mars is the fourth planet from the Sun", could that person mean that the statement is true not just for himself but is objectively true?
 
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