Why is it so important for you to claim your belief is the only true belief?

[Subduction Zone]

Just for @Jacques de Molay , here is the first article that appears in a Google search about the total energy of the universe:

What's the Total Energy In the Universe? | Live Science

Light, matter and antimatter are what physicists call "positive energy." And yes, there's a lot of it (though no one is sure quite how much). Most physicists think, however, that there is an equal amount of "negative energy" stored in the gravitational attraction that exists between all the positive-energy particles. The positive exactly balances the negative, so, ultimately, there is no energy in the universe at all.

I did not make anything up. Positive energy has a negative balance. The total is zero. There is an explanation from physics. Your "proof" of God is busted. I could provide you an hour long lecture that goes into this, but I doubt if you would watch it. You could not even read one article about this topic or how physicists know this.

 

[McBell]

(Hint: Atheism CANNOT explain this...)

I much prefer the honest answer "do not know" over the nonsense answer GodDidIt...

 

[Aupmanyav]

You could try going where the Spirit takes you.

I do not go after foolishness. What spirit are you talking about?

 

[Thief]

Once again - you've said nothing and dodged answering my question. Most likely because YOU HAVE NO ANSWER. At least no good answer. The definition is just too amorphous, too foolish and unsupportable.

I'll take a stab though - because I, for one, am not scared to talk about such things plainly. Not like theists who tend to think they are being trapped left and right and up and down - and that mostly because it is just so terribly easy for a theist to become trapped within the illogical flow of thoughts they use to justify their proclamations. There's only so many times you can make stuff up without regard to anything real before you are stepping on your own toes. Happens all the time.

So here's what I would think "spirit" means, and this is based on this vague sense I get of the word's usage by people who tend to throw it around often.

Spirit - n. - a vital essence of life that is thought to not be tied intrinsically to the material body, and yet is said to be its driving force

-or-

Spirit - n. - any non-corporeal or ethereal entity, most often said to exist supernaturally or outside of our nature

How did I do? Did I miss out on some meaning you intended to impart when you keep asking me your ridiculous spin on a "chicken or the egg" question?

so choose....

Spirit first .....or .....substance

 

[Aupmanyav]

Proof of God's existence is blatantly obvious in the existence of the universe. There's no doubt we have a Creator, according to science.

Please explain how the universe is full of matter and energy!

You mean 'the God of Gaps'? 'Since the universe is there, therefore God'. 'According to science" - how funny!

Quantum fluctuation - Wikipedia

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. we exploited it and each other.
The Bible God made man in His image and we marred that image.
The Bible God wants to lift us back up and make us His children alongside Jesus His Son, to renew what we were made to be.
We serve the living God who is our maker.
We love the one who loved us first.
The world wants to drag us back down and demands proof.

Why did not your God make men better? Imperfect design.
Why the image was given the power to mar it?
What is this throwing us down and then trying to lift us all the time. Why this foolish up and down?
God is not my maker. My father and mother were.
Yahweh would remember the sins of people for three for even four generations for what their fathers did.
Yeah, we know. You balk when we ask for proof.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

so choose....

Spirit first .....or .....substance

You still haven't even attempted to answer my question - nor confirmed that either of the definitions I posited match anything you think of when using the word "spirit."

It's like talking to a brick wall. A brick wall that just got done trying to muddle through an open-mic poetry night at a cheap coffee shop.

 

[Thief]

You still haven't even attempted to answer my question - nor confirmed that either of the definitions I posited match anything you think of when using the word "spirit."

It's like talking to a brick wall. A brick wall that just got done trying to muddle through an open-mic poetry night at a cheap coffee shop.

you don't need anything more from me.....

YOU answer the question

Spirut first?
or substance

 

[Thief]

You mean 'the God of Gaps'? 'Since the universe is there, therefore God'. 'According to science" - how funny!

Quantum fluctuation - Wikipedia

keep laughing

 

[Thief]

Why did not your God make men better? Imperfect design.
Why the image was given the power to mar it?
What is this throwing us down and then trying to lift us all the time. Why this foolish up and down?
God is not my maker. My father and mother were.
Yahweh would remember the sins of people for three for even four generations for what their fathers did.
Yeah, we know. You balk when we ask for proof.

put yourself is God's position
yes you can

then answer the questions
yes you can

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

you don't need anything more from me.....

YOU answer the question

Spirut first?
or substance

I will answer your vague, non-sensical question, sure. Again - I would like to state that, unlike some people, I am not afraid to answer questions.

Because you refuse to offer me any context or clarify the meaning of "spirit," I am going to answer your question with "substance."

So, "substance first" - whatever this means. Do you even understand why I am not sure exactly what you are getting at here?

I'll give you an example. Please contemplate on the meaning and then answer this question:
Pickles or plumbing tools? Which one?

 

[McBell]

you don't need anything more from me.....

YOU answer the question

Spirut first?
or substance

 

[Spirit of Light]

I really like it when so many people prove the OP to be true
I think i have to arrest my self for this comment

 

[John1.12]

Sitting here early morning pondering about posts in RF i been reading lately, where people claim that their religious belief is the only correct, and everyone else is fake or falls or even evil

I am not going to sitt here telling you that my own sufi faith is better or more correct that any of what you belive, because the belief i hold in Sufism is a personal path and belief that arise from within. And even i did in the past (before becoming a sufi) as many others, claimed i had the truth, i proven to my self time and time again i did not hold the truth.....

But why is it so dang important to "prove" to others your belief is the "exact truth" and anyone who claim different belief is a liar, fake, falls or even i heard someone call others evil for believeing differently than them self......

What has happend to spiritual/religious people? Isnt religion supposed to take away our ego and selfishness?

My pondering is still going on

I'd say that there is a little bit of truth in each religion ,just enough to decieve . Yes i believe some religions are demonic. I also believe some religions and cults are just nonsense, and a way to manipulate people for the leaders gratification/ money ect .Why do I say this ? because I'm mean ? No ,its because I believe the bible . The bible says that false gods and false religion leads people away from God . I don't make the pointless arguments to say what I believe is more noble or sophisticated and such things. No its also logic . By definition all religions are not leading to God . There radically different ( With the exception of what i said at the beginning ) . So the idea isn't 'my religion is better than yours ' na na nah ( pokes tongue out ) No for me I'm convinced I can spot counterfeit money now because I've seen the real money .

 

[Spirit of Light]

I'd say that there is a little bit of truth in each religion ,just enough to decieve . Yes i believe some religions are demonic. Why do I say this ? because I'm mean ? No ,its because I believe the bible . The bible says that false gods and false religion leads people away from God . I don't make the pointless arguments to say what I believe is more noble or sophisticated and such things. No its also logic . By definition all religions are not leading to God . There radically different ( With the exception of what i said at the beginning ) . So the idea isn't 'my religion is better than yours ' na na nah ( pokes tongue out ) No for me I can spot counterfeit money now because I've seen the real money .

It is nothing wrong in having a belief in a God or a teaching and still be happy for others who found their answer within a different teaching. Especially if we see they live the life they want because their religious belief give them what they seeking.

 

[John1.12]

It is nothing wrong in having a belief in a God or a teaching and still be happy for others who found their answer within a different teaching. Especially if we see they live the life they want because their religious belief give them what they seeking.

Maybe if I believed all religions lead to God ,or were true ( or universalism) . And maybe if I didn't believe in heaven and hell I wouldn't care what my family and friends believe . Its about what's true and false. From my perspective its like there's all these doors in front of them ,I know only one door leads to a beautiful meadow . The other doors open to a cliff edge. I'm not going to be happy they have found their door am I, I know where it leads .

 

[Spirit of Light]

Maybe if I believed all religions lead to God ,or were true ( or universalism) . And maybe if I didn't believe in heaven and hell I wouldn't care what my family and friends believe . Its about what's true and false. From my perspective its like there's all these doors in front of them ,I know only one door leads to a beautiful meadow . The other doors open to a cliff edge. I'm not going to be happy they have found their door am I, I know where it leads .

Of course you going to be happy for the door you open and found the truth you been seeking. and honestly i am truly happy for you too.

 

[John1.12]

Of course you going to be happy for the door you open and found the truth you been seeking. and honestly i am truly happy for you too.

Yes and I would be happy for you if you opened the exact same door .

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes I would be happy for you if you opened the exact same door .

@Barry Johnson I am not you I am not exactly like you and that may be a reason why Christianity is not the path i have chosen, I was born in to a Christian family but the teaching never touched my heart when i was a child. But know this. I have never thought Christianity is a wrong religion, nor do i think it is a false or bad way. But it is not for me.

If i have chosen wrong and the Christian God punish me when i die. That will be ok because I was the one who took the choice of leaving that religion. And no matter how you now feel about my choice. I have found the teaching and the truth i always been looking for within Sufism, i know sufism may not be the right path for others, and i respect that, and if they chose a different teaching to follow, i will honestly cheering them on and help them if i am able to. Because they found the beginning of what they was looking for.

 

[John1.12]

@Barry Johnson I am not you I am not exactly like you and that may be a reason why Christianity is not the path i have chosen, I was born in to a Christian family but the teaching never touched my heart when i was a child. But know this. I have never thought Christianity is a wrong religion, nor do i think it is a false or bad way. But it is not for me.

If i have chosen wrong and the Christian God punish me when i die. That will be ok because I was the one who took the choice of leaving that religion. And no matter how you now feel about my choice. I have found the teaching and the truth i always been looking for within Sufism, i know sufism may not be the right path for others, and i respect that, and if they chose a different teaching to follow, r.

Yes I understand what your saying . But I'm taking about what's true and what is false. I can't work out if you believe in 'relativism ' ? My point is I believe Jesus when he said He is the only way to the Father , the ONLY truth and the ONLY life . Now its not just this verse Its the entire new testament( John 14.6) So literally every one has to come to Jesus . No exceptions ..So this rules out all other ways. If your way doesn't involve Jesus ( the biblical Jesus) then there is no possibility of heaven ..There is no well we.ll let him in because he's been a decent chap. its about whats possible and not possible . its not possible to enter heaven unless you are covered by Jesus s righteousness, Redeemed by him ,regenerated by him ect . I respect that you have your free will to choose Jesus or not .To seek another way, to live as you see fit .
When you say //i will honestly cheering them on and help them if i am able to. Because they found the beginning of what they was looking for// This fits your world view of course . You would possibly be happy because of the way you view heaven , hell , salvation, God , your religion. I would be insane to cheer someone on in there choice ,which doesn't involve Jesus. In fact I would be quite sadistic in doing so . I would literally be saying " yay you go ,keep on as you are , your doing fine whoop ! Knowing full well it leads to hell . I would be like aDo you see my point ? That's all I'm trying to explain here, which is related to your post . None of this means I go round bashing folks over the head with the bible. People are free to choose Jesus or not .Not a religion ,but Jesus .