joe1776
Well-Known Member
You haven't argued with my post in the OP. I don't agree with your overall position, for example, you wrote:If mankind is the sole arbiter of morality then that assumes all consciences are equal. Rather there are standards that are understandings, meanings that never change that are apart of cause and effect for the living. Honesty is one such moral. It's inescapable that people need honesty to not only survive but to have a quality of life worthwhile. If a person is abused and cheated their whole life then survival won't be the most important thing. Honesty is a universal need. Humanity is often relative to the situation in their choice of morals. Their morals can change from situation to situation thus rendering them unpredictable and inconsistent. But a real authority is true, and consistent and trustworthy.
As people change, the themes important to morality never change. There is an actual universal right and wrong regardless of what humanity decides for.
One day all of humanity could decide that it's moral to kill off the weak, and the poor, and downtrodden. What kind of moral authority is that? It's one that is cruel and there are real consequences for choosing such a morality. It would be a far superior morality if humanity chose to value every life instead, and gave real consequences to those whom deprive people the right to life. So in short we could decide that aryan morals are better than universal right to life and the world would become a cruel and more violent place. The authority of morality rests in changeless meanings such as honesty, integrity, kindness, deserve, truthfulness, compassion, trustworthiness, basic levels of equality for all.
The ultimate aim of morality is to live a life worth living and not deprive people of that right. The end result of a worthy morality is love of life, self and others. The goal of morality is to negate hatred.
Rather there are standards that are understandings, meanings that never change that are apart of cause and effect for the living. Honesty is one such moral.
Honesty is usually the right thing to do, but not always. For example, as a morally good German in 1939, your chances of surviving and saving Jews would be much increased if you were to join the Nazi Party and deceive them into thinking that you were a believer in their cause. That's basically what Oskar Schindler did to save 1,200 Jews during WW2.