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I'm strange?

One can choose to believe in the tenets of Christianity...But that doesn't make that belief logical or factual.
There is nothing logical about a Faith they teaches that there is only one way to God, through Jesus.

How do you know that a "faith" that "embraces all other faiths" is NOT a Faith, do you know anything about such a Faith?
Christianity is merely something one believes. It doesn't really mean anything. It has no basis in historical or scientific fact.

What makes a belief factual is a sincere grounding in historical and scientific fact. In other words, it has to pass the "smell test."

Christianity does. With flying colors.

There is most certainly logic in teaching that there's only one (1) way to God. The opposite approach - many ways - is nonsensical.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
What makes a belief factual is a sincere grounding in historical and scientific fact. In other words, it has to pass the "smell test."

Christianity does. With flying colors.
Christianity is not factual and it is not grounded in historical or scientific fact. In other words, it does not pass the "smell test."

No religion is grounded in scientific fact but at least the Baha'i Faith is grounded in historical facts that can be proven to have taken place. Christianity cannot say the same as there is no proof that what was recorded in the Bible ever took place.
There is most certainly logic in teaching that there's only one (1) way to God. The opposite approach - many ways - is nonsensical.
There is no logic in teaching that there's only one (1) way to God. The opposite approach - many ways - is logical.

Do you want to know why it is illogical?

If there was only one way to God and it was Christianity that would mean that 70% of the world population who are not Christians have no way to God. If God is all-loving as Christians believe than that is an untenable belief.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I think the optimal word that one needs to explore in regards to ANY faith is the following:


a·pol·o·get·ics
/əˌpäləˈjediks/

noun
  1. reasoned arguments or writings in justification of something, typically a theory or religious doctrine.
Krishna said something that seems wise? OK...So what? Lots of people say wise things. That doesn't make them or their pronouncements devine.

Spiritual truths are NOT the same for all religions. That's simply false. Buddhism does not preach an afterlife. Neither Christianity nor Islam nor Judaism believe in reincarnation, or "karma." And not all religions preach about a messiah.

You aske me what do i know about other religions?

What do you know..?

I understand that the topics mentioned come down to individual interpretation. One could interpret being born again that Jesus referred to reincarnation so it’s really a subjective thing unless a Divine Figure has stated otherwise. Likewise, we cannot be sure that we possess all the teachings of Buddha. I believe He not only taught about a next life but about God too.

As to the connection between Faiths. Each Founder made a covenant with His followers that He would send someone to guide them in the future, the last days.

In Hinduism sects they await Kalki Avatar
Judaism the Lord of Hosts
Christianity Christ returned in the Glory of the Father
Buddhism Maitreya, the Fifth Buddha
Zoroastrian Faith Shah Bahram
Islam Mahdi

Basically, although they all have different names, I believe the scriptures are all referring to the same one Great Being. I believe that to be Baha’u’llah.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Then you are playing buffet religion, picking and choosing what parts to take and what parts to leave.

I liken the religions collectively to the human body. Following your analysis, shall we then throw out the heart or liver or perhaps the lungs?

There is beauty and truth in all faiths. They all enlighten mankind with spiritual sustenance. We can accept all their truths and not just limit ourselves to one of them.
 
I understand that the topics mentioned come down to individual interpretation. One could interpret being born again that Jesus referred to reincarnation so it’s really a subjective thing unless a Divine Figure has stated otherwise. Likewise, we cannot be sure that we possess all the teachings of Buddha. I believe He not only taught about a next life but about God too.

As to the connection between Faiths. Each Founder made a covenant with His followers that He would send someone to guide them in the future, the last days.

In Hinduism sects they await Kalki Avatar
Judaism the Lord of Hosts
Christianity Christ returned in the Glory of the Father
Buddhism Maitreya, the Fifth Buddha
Zoroastrian Faith Shah Bahram
Islam Mahdi

Basically, although they all have different names, I believe the scriptures are all referring to the same one Great Being. I believe that to be Baha’u’llah.

In all sincerity, being "born again" is not a reference to reincarnation. The scriptures make clear that it is a spiritual renewal, NOT a physical rebirth.

The scriptures you refer to MAY all be referring to the one true God...But again, that doesn't mean they will lead to Him.
 
Christianity is not factual and it is not grounded in historical or scientific fact. In other words, it does not pass the "smell test."

No religion is grounded in scientific fact but at least the Baha'i Faith is grounded in historical facts that can be proven to have taken place. Christianity cannot say the same as there is no proof that what was recorded in the Bible ever took place.

There is no logic in teaching that there's only one (1) way to God. The opposite approach - many ways - is logical.

Do you want to know why it is illogical?

If there was only one way to God and it was Christianity that would mean that 70% of the world population who are not Christians have no way to God. If God is all-loving as Christians believe than that is an untenable belief.

You obviously don't know much about the history of Christianity, and it's absolute grounding in historical fact.

You've heard about the 12 Apostles, correct?

11/12 of the Apostles died for their beliefs. Would they have died for a lie? Or for something they weren't sure about?

...Doubtful.

As far as "70% of the world population who are not Christians have no way to God," that's also false. 100% of the world's population has a pathway to God.

They just have to find it.

Scripture is clear, however: Most people, because of their own choices, will NOT be saved.

That's not God's fault.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
You obviously don't know much about the history of Christianity, and it's absolute grounding in historical fact.

You've heard about the 12 Apostles, correct?

11/12 of the Apostles died for their beliefs. Would they have died for a lie? Or for something they weren't sure about?

...Doubtful.
Historical evidence of the Apostles is scarce, and some of it contradicts core Christian beliefs. In the Bible, Jesus Christ names 12 apostles to spread his gospel, and the early Christian church owes its rapid rise to their missionary zeal.Mar 6, 2016

These 12 Men Shaped Christianity—But Were They Real?

As far as "70% of the world population who are not Christians have no way to God," that's also false. 100% of the world's population has a pathway to God.

They just have to find it.

Scripture is clear, however: Most people, because of their own choices, will NOT be saved.

That's not God's fault.
If you believe that The Only Way to God is Christianity I am afraid you are sorely mistaken. All true religions lead to God, although God would prefer we take the new road rather than the old roads because those old roads were built for former ages. The new road is the Baha'i Faith.

There is nothing to be saved from except our own lower selves which lead us to sinful actions. Original sin caused by Adam and Eve is a Christian doctrine that came about from misinterpreting the Bible so that Christians could say we needed to be saved by the cross sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus did save us, but in the way Christians commonly believe.

Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?

29: EXPLANATION OF VERSE TWENTY-TWO, CHAPTER FIFTEEN, OF THE FIRST EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I believe in Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'i at the same time

I believe that can be done if one resolves the contradictions. My guess is that you would have to resolve those contradiction in favor of one or the other in most cases.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I can not become a Bahai. Because I do not believe everything they believe in. For example, I believe that God wants people to have different religions. So God has one covenant with Jews, another covenant with Christians, another covenant with the followers of the Baha'i faith.

I believe God sends holy souls to different cultures to teach us to worship God, and to love one another. I do not believe Bahai is the latest religion from God. I believe only Baha'is are one of the religions of God. The followers of the Baha'i faith believe Baha'i is the latest relgion from God. I disagree with this.

Why do you believe this?

This is why we keep creating new religions. Someone had issues with the previous beliefs and thought they had the better answer. Get enough like minded individuals and start your own religion taking bits and pieces which you like from other beliefs and discarding those you don't.

People get the idea that God ought to cater to the idea of God which we personally hold.

Works, I mean God's conforms to whatever ideal we humans happen to have at the moment. Maybe this is what they mean by a personal God. God becomes whatever we need God to be.

I didn't like the idea of having that much power over God. God becomes the perfect politician who can always count on your vote.

I decided not to need God to be anything. To fit my personal ideal of what God should be. If there is a God, I figured that the only why to find that out was to stop deciding for myself what God needed to be since my experience of God always seemed to cater to my idea of what God ought to be.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I can not become a Bahai. Because I do not believe everything they believe in. For example, I believe that God wants people to have different religions. So God has one covenant with Jews, another covenant with Christians, another covenant with the followers of the Baha'i faith.
God DID want people to have different religions and that is why God revealed different religions through various Messengers throughout the ages. That was the Will of God for those ages. The various religions will continue to exist for a long time but that does not mean that is what God wants for humanity forever. Baha'is believe that this a new age and things will never be the same as they were in the past. Eventually humanity will unite under one common faith because that is what has been ordained by God.

“That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith. This can in no wise be achieved except through the power of a skilled, an all-powerful and inspired Physician. This, verily, is the truth, and all else naught but error.”
The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 91


What harm is there on one common faith? Why do you think that it is better that for humanity as a whole to be divided into many different faiths?

The following is what Baha'u'llah said in an interview with Edward Browne a distinguished orientalist and Fellow of Pembroke College, Cambridge, then at the outset of his brilliant academic career The interview took place in the vicinity of Haifa, Israel in April, 1890.

“We desire but the good of the world and the happiness of the nations; yet they deem Us a stirrer up of strife and sedition worthy of bondage and banishment…. That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled—what harm is there in this?… Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come…. Yet do We see your kings and rulers lavishing their treasures more freely on means for the destruction of the human race than on that which would conduce to the happiness of mankind…. These strifes and this bloodshed and discord must cease, and all men be as one kindred and one family…. Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind….” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. ix
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
If anyone is strange on this board due to beliefs it's me. I am a dark pagan who worship Norse gods and works with Lucifer and has no quarrel with Jesus.
You're not strange. {Says the LHP Luciferian Buddhist Daoist Pastafarian Mystic who thinks worship is harmful, yet also has no quarrel with Jesus} :oops:
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I can not become a Bahai. Because I do not believe everything they believe in. For example, I believe that God wants people to have different religions. So God has one covenant with Jews, another covenant with Christians, another covenant with the followers of the Baha'i faith.

I believe God sends holy souls to different cultures to teach us to worship God, and to love one another. I do not believe Bahai is the latest religion from God. I believe only Baha'is are one of the religions of God. The followers of the Baha'i faith believe Baha'i is the latest relgion from God. I disagree with this.

I believe you will never find a religion you totally agree with. I don't even find a denomination in Christianity that I totally agree with.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Yes it is logically possible

I do not believe the different religions are all literaly true in everything, if I believed this then it is not logical.

I believe there are some level of truth in the different religions.

What the religions share of belief:
the religions believe in one God who is the creator of the universe/universes, prophets or holy souls of God, prayers to God, Heaven/hell, that the most important is to serve God and loving each other

I believe service to God fits Christianity. We serve Jesus as our Lord and Master.
 
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