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Why is it so important for you to claim your belief is the only true belief?

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Are you insinuating that your lack of ability to "prove it" is the strongest thing you have in your corner to defend your case?
no....

faith by definition .....requires no proving

and the nonbelievers go on.....and on......and on

prove it .....prove it.....prove it

and all these years I have been here ....I have posted soooooooooo many times

there will not be a photo, a fingerprint, an equation or a repeatable experiment

all you CAN do is think about it
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
no....

faith by definition .....requires no proving

and the nonbelievers go on.....and on......and on

prove it .....prove it.....prove it

and all these years I have been here ....I have posted soooooooooo many times

there will not be a photo, a fingerprint, an equation or a repeatable experiment

all you CAN do is think about it
I have thought about it... and any and all religious/spiritual/supernatural ideas of "faith" always come up entirely lacking. I don't see the utility in them, and others have failed time and time again to explain it to me sufficiently, therefore I have made the choice to discard and ignore it all. There is no detriment to be had to my life for making this choice that I have found, and all promises that there are such detriments have absolutely zero backing or evidential support. Also entirely lacking in evidence are anyone's claims that there is another world after this one within which it is going to matter what I believed in this life. There are no consequences to not believing. None. Nada. Anyone who claims that there are is just saying some words. Words that may as well be random gibberish for how compelling they are.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
well....not believing in life after death

you have decided not to continue living after death

death then ....IS....the consequence
One I am decidedly fine with. Others, I can tell, are not fine with it - but their discomfort with ideas of death doesn't make any of the alternatives they propose "the truth." You seem to think that it does - and that's just strange.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
One I am decidedly fine with. Others, I can tell, are not fine with it - but their discomfort with ideas of death doesn't make any of the alternatives they propose "the truth." You seem to think that it does - and that's just strange.
not at all.....

let science take you back to the beginning
then choose
as science cannot do so for you

Spirit first?
or substance
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
not at all.....

let science take you back to the beginning
then choose
as science cannot do so for you

Spirit first?
or substance
What you have asked of me is pointless. I understand that you think it is somehow profound and interesting. I find it trite, stereotypical and without basis in reality. First define "spirit" for me in terms that force me to accept its existence or necessity. If you can't do this, understand that it is a failure on your part... not mine.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
all you CAN do is think about it
That is what we think about it. It has no proof. So, it is man-made fiction.
death then ....IS....the consequence
No proof of the promise of eternal life. Death then .. IS .. the consequence for me as well as for you. Forget Alibaba stories.

Spirits:
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Sitting here early morning pondering about posts in RF i been reading lately, where people claim that their religious belief is the only correct, and everyone else is fake or falls or even evil :confused:

I am not going to sitt here telling you that my own sufi faith is better or more correct that any of what you belive, because the belief i hold in Sufism is a personal path and belief that arise from within. And even i did in the past (before becoming a sufi) as many others, claimed i had the truth, i proven to my self time and time again i did not hold the truth.....

But why is it so dang important to "prove" to others your belief is the "exact truth" and anyone who claim different belief is a liar, fake, falls or even i heard someone call others evil for believeing differently than them self......

What has happend to spiritual/religious people? Isnt religion supposed to take away our ego and selfishness?

My pondering is still going on :oops:

Ironically, religions that claim to be focused on "taking away our ego and selfishness" are, in fact, very egotistical and selfish because they are completely self-focused.

In contrast, neither Christianity nor Islam nor Judaism are "self-focused." They are focused on God, and on doing what we can in this life to serve others through Him.

If one strongly believes that their Faith is THE pathway to God, then of course they want to share that with others. Why wouldn't they?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Ironically, religions that claim to be focused on "taking away our ego and selfishness" are, in fact, very egotistical and selfish because they are completely self-focused.

In contrast, neither Christianity nor Islam nor Judaism are "self-focused." They are focused on God, and on doing what we can in this life to serve others through Him.

If one strongly believes that their Faith is THE pathway to God, then of course they want to share that with others. Why wouldn't they?
To know God one must first know one self, only then it is possible to end the ego, because then one know what should not be there. And god will be seen in a clear way when ego has been lifted.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
as I pointed out ......

you can't take a step.....without proof
And what step is one you feel I need to take? I take all sorts of steps in all sorts of directions. And yes, more often than not, evidence of there being some benefit to heading in a particular direction ends up being what drives me. But then there's also the idea of taking steps in even a random direction in order to go looking for "proof" of something. So excuse me if I find your words a little too cryptic, vague and without much substance (yet again).

It is very, very likely I am just not, at all, understanding what you are getting at here. You write in a very strange manner. Sometimes incomprehensible. You could be far more "straight to the point." That you aren't makes me think you're trying to hide behind the language, because to state plainly what you are actually thinking might be too damning.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
If one strongly believes that their Faith is THE pathway to God, then of course they want to share that with others. Why wouldn't they?
Who said everyone wants a "pathway to God?" Isn't is a bit selfish in itself to let your ideas of what you, personally want be what informs you of what everyone else wants?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
To know God one must first know one self, only then it is possible to end the ego, because then one know what should not be there. And god will be seen in a clear way when ego has been lifted.
not sure if I can agree

seems to me.....everyone that tried.....

crucified
burned at the stake
stoned
fed to lions
beat to death
exiled
etc....etc.....etc....

and on a personal level......
the spirit of the man needs to be crushed
before God can enter
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
In contrast, neither Christianity nor Islam nor Judaism are "self-focused." They are focused on God, and on doing what we can in this life to serve others through Him.
If one strongly believes that their Faith is THE pathway to God, then of course they want to share that with others. Why wouldn't they?
IMHO, it is unfortunate that they are focused on their Gods.
As for their service, there is always a price for it. Teressa's help (Aspirin for the dying) was dependent on their acceptance of Christianity.
 
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