Proselytizing vs Quote

[Trailblazer]

It has no relevance to me and hasn't for years now, thank goodness

It never had any relevance to me for 60 years, but now it has relevance because I need to know what it says in order to engage with Christians in discussions or debates about my religion.
It is also relevant to me because I believe that Jesus was a Messenger or God and a Manifestation of God.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Apparently all these years have gone by and no one has noticed that Jesus the Carpenter said to His disciples.....I shall make you fishers of men...

Nineteen centuries of Christian apologetics and not one person noticed! Clearly we are fortunate to have such a singularly perceptive person in our midst.

As for "fishers of men," one wonders why such an image should prove compelling, since the catch is hooked, gutted, scaled and filleted, all for the sake of a collection of unfeeling predators.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

He did not say that he got it, he just said it was interesting.

It was interesting that he got it?

 

[Trailblazer]

It was interesting that he got it?

I dunno.

 

[Thief]

I've told you of Krom.
You've no claim of ignorance now.
What will you say when standing in His judgment?
"Oopsies"?

you got it

 

[Thief]

As for "fishers of men," one wonders why such an image should prove compelling, since the catch is hooked, gutted, scaled and filleted, all for the sake of a collection of unfeeling predators.

you got it

 

[Thief]

if I say to you anything.......of quote
the Source will know that you ....got it

like a fish hook in your ear......the left over scar will be there
like a fish hook in your lip.....the recital betrays you

you can't say you haven't heard such things
your plea of ignorance is gone

if I speak of my own creativity.....only I could say
you knew better
but then again......if what I said holds ground
then the Source will hold me accountable
and then ask
Did you tell anyone else?

 

[Thief]

and the Carpenter gave a parable of increase....the Mustard Seed

so...if I hear well
the understanding will increase though I heard only one parable

I then speak parables

If I recite the parable I was given...that would be quote
If I speak of the increase that happened within me......proselytizing?

 

[Thief]

and it is written.....the kingdom of heaven is within you

 

[Clara Tea]

heads up......got you

apparently ....all these years have gone by
and no one has noticed

and the Carpenter said to His disciples.....I shall make you fishers of men

so...
if ever you here a story.....ANY story
with a moral implication

your plea of ignorance is gone

How to stand before God and heaven to say.....
I wasn't told

And I suppose the fisherman will teach carpentry (sounds fishy).

 

[Clara Tea]

I was a sensitive kid with an overly strict father, so I used to fear Final Judgement a lot. Then I grew up and learned that in actual trials, the power of the judge is to be balanced by good lawyers, and that quite often, bad guy defendants win. Then I read the parts of the Bible only "real Christians" read, Isajah and Jeremiah. I felt the god depicted therein was portrayed as a brute with anger issues and low self-control. If I was his wife, like Israel/the church is considered to be, then I would leave him on the spot.

God is not a good provider (Jews wandering desert, Jews in Hitler's Nazi camp).

God is not attentive (Jesus needed help, and so do a lot more of his children with cancer, and doesn't answer prayers).

God hides and expects followers.

Perhaps we should not seek forgiveness for our sins? Perhaps we should ask ourselves if we should forgive God?

 

[Clara Tea]

Nineteen centuries of Christian apologetics and not one person noticed! Clearly we are fortunate to have such a singularly perceptive person in our midst.

As for "fishers of men," one wonders why such an image should prove compelling, since the catch is hooked, gutted, scaled and filleted, all for the sake of a collection of unfeeling predators.

As the fish goes, so go we.

 

[Clara Tea]

if I say to you anything.......of quote
the Source will know that you ....got it

like a fish hook in your ear......the left over scar will be there
like a fish hook in your lip.....the recital betrays you

you can't say you haven't heard such things
your plea of ignorance is gone

if I speak of my own creativity.....only I could say
you knew better
but then again......if what I said holds ground
then the Source will hold me accountable
and then ask
Did you tell anyone else?

The source of all things teaches more than fishing, but it is a pity that we can't even learn that.

 

[RestlessSoul]

And I suppose the fisherman will teach carpentry (sounds fishy).

The boatbuilders will do that;
No carpenters, no boat.
No boat, no fishermen.

All starts with the tree then really.

 

[Clara Tea]

I honestly don't understand your OP. Proselytizing would be "God is real; he speaks for everyone including you... verse XYZ" Quote is more "God is real. The bible says he is. Verse XYZ."

One is directed to the person assuming the quoted verse has some affect on the other persons choice to follow christ. The latter is educational and a means to support one's statement not use it to convince others the validity of it.

Carp are fish. Nobody had better claim ignorance because, with this explanation, they understand the morality of fish carpentry.

I was happy to clarify the issue for you. Now, could you please explain it to me?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Carp are fish. Nobody had better claim ignorance because, with this explanation, they understand the morality of fish carpentry.

I was happy to clarify the issue for you. Now, could you please explain it to me?

Huh?

Not sure what you meant.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I'd say I was told but it made no sense, so I used my God given logic to reject it.

I say the same, but the 'God-given' is more ironic turn of phrase than heart felt belief in my case.

 

[Thief]

I'd say I was told but it made no sense, so I used my God given logic to reject it.

the retort is well known.....quote
Let he that has ears ....hear

I heard.....somewhere
the Carpenter taught in parables
letting the seed of thought fall where it may

that is......as a ploy
so the crowd and the Pharisees
would have to stop
and think