All roads lead to the same God ?

[Starlight]

Kemetic 42 Declarations of Innocence,

1. I have not done evil.
2. I have not been a coward.
3. I have not raped or molested.
4. I have not stolen.
5. I have not murdered.
6. I have not defrauded the temple.
7. I have not been deceitful toward allies, leaders, family or friends.
8. I have not been sacrilegious in thought or deed.
9. I have not lied to those who deserve the truth.
10. I have not deprived the less fortunate.
11. I have not uttered evil words.
12. I have not attacked the righteous.
13. I have not turned away from natural procreation.
14. I have not become overcome with anguish or grief.
15. I have not harmed the land or the animals thereon.
16. I have not spied against the people.
17. I have not spoken against the sacred teachings.
18. I have not been undisciplined.
19. I have not been an adulterer, homosexual or child molester.
20. I have not harmed myself.
21. I have not violated sacred times.
22. I have not allowed myself to be abused.
23. I have not surrendered to the enemy.
24. I have not stopped my ears from the words of right and wrong.
25. I have not been disobedient.
26. I have not presented a false image of myself to loved ones.
27. I have not lain with a child, animal, an enemy of my people, or others of my sex.
28. I have not used ignorance to confront the ignorant.
29. I have not abused children, the elderly, the infirmed, or my spouse.
30. I have not been lazy.
31. I have not been impatient.
32. I have not deviated from the teachings.
33. I have not multiplied my speech overmuch.
34. I have not pondered evil, impure or harmful thoughts.
35. I have not betrayed my leaders or my people.
36. I have not fouled the water.
37. I have not been contemptuous or patronizing.
38. I have not been passive.
39. I have not been arrogant or boastful.
40. I have not been self-serving.
41. I have not been greedy.
42. I have not given in to my lower nature.

i'm impressed by their rules. They are so good, kind, logical. This is rules all people should know of.

 

[Rival]

i'm impressed by their rules. They are so good, kind, logical. This is rules all people should know of.

As they are written in a very ancient language some are open to interpretation, but there you go

 

[metis]

The bible.

I don't worship the Bible, and I certainly don't treat it as if were an idol.

 

[John1.12]

i'm impressed by their rules. They are so good, kind, logical. This is rules all people should know of.

I'd challenge this one .

1. I have not pondered evil, impure or harmful thoughts

The standard must have been low .
Jesus said

27¶Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

[John1.12]

I don't worship the Bible, and I certainly don't treat it as if were an idol.

Good ,thats not what I said or suggested .

 

[Starlight]

I'd challenge this one .

1. I have not pondered evil, impure or harmful thoughts

The standard must have been low .
Jesus said

27¶Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Hm..The rules is very similar.. so i don't understand what you mean..

 

[John1.12]

i'm impressed by their rules. They are so good, kind, logical. This is rules all people should know of.

Has he ever lied ? Even once?

 

[John1.12]

Hm..The rules is very similar.. so i don't understand what you mean..

I don't believe anyone has or could keep those rules.

 

[Rival]

i'm impressed by their rules. They are so good, kind, logical. This is rules all people should know of.

Here's another interpretation,


I have not committed sin.
I have not committed robbery with violence.
I have not stolen.
I have not slain men or women.
I have not stolen food.
I have not swindled offerings.
I have not stolen from God/Goddess.
I have not told lies.
I have not carried away food.
I have not cursed.
I have not closed my ears to truth.
I have not committed adultery.
I have not made anyone cry.
I have not felt sorrow without reason.
I have not assaulted anyone.
I am not deceitful.
I have not stolen anyone’s land.
I have not been an eavesdropper.
I have not falsely accused anyone.
I have not been angry without reason.
I have not seduced anyone’s wife.
I have not polluted myself.
I have not terrorized anyone.
I have not disobeyed the Law.
I have not been exclusively angry.
I have not cursed God/Goddess.
I have not behaved with violence.
I have not caused disruption of peace.
I have not acted hastily or without thought.
I have not overstepped my boundaries of concern.
I have not exaggerated my words when speaking.
I have not worked evil.
I have not used evil thoughts, words or deeds.
I have not polluted the water.
I have not spoken angrily or arrogantly.
I have not cursed anyone in thought, word or deeds.
I have not placed myself on a pedestal.
I have not stolen what belongs to God/Goddess.
I have not stolen from or disrespected the deceased.
I have not taken food from a child.
I have not acted with insolence.
I have not destroyed property belonging to God/Goddess

 

[Starlight]

Here's another interpretation,


I have not committed sin.
I have not committed robbery with violence.
I have not stolen.
I have not slain men or women.
I have not stolen food.
I have not swindled offerings.
I have not stolen from God/Goddess.
I have not told lies.
I have not carried away food.
I have not cursed.
I have not closed my ears to truth.
I have not committed adultery.
I have not made anyone cry.
I have not felt sorrow without reason.
I have not assaulted anyone.
I am not deceitful.
I have not stolen anyone’s land.
I have not been an eavesdropper.
I have not falsely accused anyone.
I have not been angry without reason.
I have not seduced anyone’s wife.
I have not polluted myself.
I have not terrorized anyone.
I have not disobeyed the Law.
I have not been exclusively angry.
I have not cursed God/Goddess.
I have not behaved with violence.
I have not caused disruption of peace.
I have not acted hastily or without thought.
I have not overstepped my boundaries of concern.
I have not exaggerated my words when speaking.
I have not worked evil.
I have not used evil thoughts, words or deeds.
I have not polluted the water.
I have not spoken angrily or arrogantly.
I have not cursed anyone in thought, word or deeds.
I have not placed myself on a pedestal.
I have not stolen what belongs to God/Goddess.
I have not stolen from or disrespected the deceased.
I have not taken food from a child.
I have not acted with insolence.
I have not destroyed property belonging to God/Goddess

in some way I like the first interpretation best. Which of them do you like best?

 

[Rival]

Hmm.. in some way I like the first interpretation best. Which of them do you like best?

I have a list in a book I own that I prefer. I can't be bothered to type them though

 

[Starlight]

I have a list in a book I own that I prefer. I can't be bothered to type them though

Which book do you have? I'm just curius interessting religion you believe in. I love to learn about different religions. Your religion is especially interessting because it is a ancient religion.

How many interpretations of the rules exist?

 

[The Hammer]

So yes, polyteistic religions to lead to God.

No, polytheistic Religions lead to the Gods. Not God.

When I commune, it is with my Gods, not a
singular God, like the Bible.

I can commune with a single God and often do (Typically Wodan), but I also work with the many as well.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No i do not. You are very wrong.

Polyteism is also a path to God.

To your God.

I believe God do not care so much if people worship many gods. Why? Because God understand that some people believe many gods created the universe/universes instead of one God. And the polytheists worship the gods and thank them for this life, food, wealth.

And since the polytheist worship the gods and thanks the gods, then God know they are grateful to him and love him. They have just misunderstood that in reality it is only one God that created them.

I believe in one God/source/spirit of the universe. And maybe God in reality is many Gods. Maybe i am wrong. But i do not believe that. I think One source of the universe is more logical than many sources of the universe.

But yes my belief do account for polyteists. Why? Because people try to understand and get a realationship with the source/spirit/God/gods of the universe. Some people (polytheist) believe this source is many sources (many gods). And some people (monotheists) believe this source is one source (one God)

So all religious people (both polytheist and monotheist) try to understand the source/sources/God/gods of the universe. We just believe different about if this source/sources is just one or many.

So yes, polyteistic religions to lead to God.

This seems just as exclusionary as all the other religions you're complaining about, only with an added weird wrinkle: not only are you saying that their beliefs are false, but you also say that their god is a "wrong" version of your god.

 

[Starlight]

To your God.


This seems just as exclusionary as all the other religions you're complaining about, only with an added weird wrinkle: not only are you saying that their beliefs are false, but you also say that their god is a "wrong" version of your god.

What? have I complained about religions?

 

[Rival]

Which book do you have? I'm just curius interessting religion you believe in. I love to learn about different religions. Your religion is especially interessting because it is a ancient religion.

How many interpretations of the rules exist?

Writings from Ancient Egypt (penguin.co.uk)

Many many. They're broadly the same, but certain words are problematic; for example, words for 'homosexuality' and 'pederasty' don't exist per se so these are just interpretations. Most seem to agree that this refers to sleeping with underage boys.

 

[Starlight]

Writings from Ancient Egypt (penguin.co.uk)

Many many. They're broadly the same, but certain words are problematic; for example, words for 'homosexuality' and 'pederasty' don't exist per se so these are just interpretations. Most seem to agree that this refers to sleeping with underage boys.

Thank you maybe i read this book.

I see

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Polyteism is also a path to God.

IOW, inside every polytheist is a theist trying to get out.

Ever seen Full Metal Jacket?

Pogue Colonel: Son, all I've ever asked of my marines is that they obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every g**k there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.

Sergeant Joker: Aye-aye, sir.

 

[Rival]

IOW, inside every polytheist is a theist trying to get out.

Ever seen Full Metal Jacket?

Pogue Colonel: Son, all I've ever asked of my marines is that they obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every g**k there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.

Sergeant Joker: Aye-aye, sir.

It's still a much better POV than 'kill them all' and as a Pagan it doesn't really bother me, tbh.

 

[Pete in Panama]

absolutely..fire away .

super --although we would 'fire' together at the topic we're examining.

My thinking is that neither of us is right or wrong here, but rather we've got two equally valid but different ways of looking at it. Your opening post raised the question of various religions worshiping the same God and you invited coment. Later though you appear to have taken the view that the various religions are inherently at odds and beyond reconciliation. If the latter is the case please tell me where you are in that thinking. You can't be saying that a Jew has to renounce the Jewish God to become a Christian and turn to the Christian God are you?