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What are some of your thoughts on death?

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Different destinations, different bodies.
In the Bible I find Jesus had a heavenly destination with a spirit body.
In the Bible I find those who died before Jesus have a resurrected physical body on Earth.
So, yes there are those who are called to Heaven who have a different or a spirit body.
Those called to live forever on Earth (as originally offered to Adam before his downfall) have a human physical body.
They are the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth as Jesus promised.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
...........And what is the difference between someone who is unrighteous and someone who is wicked?
Before Jesus lived (John 3:13) think of the many who never heard of Jesus. Think of the people outside of ancient Israel who did worship foreign gods. They could Not be counted as righteous, but Not necessarily make them wicked.
People like those of Hebrews chapter 11 are counted as righteous ones.
People counted as the figurative humble ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:37 are counted as righteous ones.
The haughty 'goats' are Not considered as unrighteous but to be destroyed. The wicked are destroyed -Psalms 92:7
That symbolic ' second death ' of Revelation 21:8 is for the wicked.
Resurrection, according to Acts of the Apostles 24:15, is for the righteous and unrighteous.
(P.S. after being resurrected 'it remains to be seen' if all righteous ones remain righteous, or if the unrighteous become righteous or choose to be wicked )
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Every body dies. (In case you're wondering, that's not a typo. I intentionally didn't make that a compound word. ;)) The body and mind are temporary. Just like the car you drove before the one you're driving now.
I can agree 'temporary' but to me without the Resurrection Hope (live again) death would be permanent.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Hello Trailblazer:

I believe similar to what you have here and it is a teaching that comes from the bible. Which talks about how everyone is going back to God ~ According to the Lord Jesus Christ all will be resurrected:

That means for those who are unbelievers, and those who were believers. According to what the bible has taught me is that ; All people are going to receive a new spiritual body and not a real earthly fleshly one. It is going to be something that will be given to you by God.
Yes, that is what is taught in my religion. God will give us a new form that is suitable to our life in heaven.

“The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 157

“The answer to the third question is this, that in the other world the human reality doth not assume a physical form, rather doth it take on a heavenly form, made up of elements of that heavenly realm.” Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 194

This teaching is congruent with what Paul said. Our physical bodies will die and we will be raised as spiritual bodies. Paul says that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God and that means they cannot exist in heaven. When Paul says these dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever, he is referring to the spiritual world (heaven), which will last forever. (1 Corinthians 15:40-54)
Those who do not believe who are resurrected into a house (mansion) Spiritual Body of condemnation are unbelievers who desire nothing to with God and they are placed outside the Kingdom of God.

Those who are believers are resurrected into a house (mansion) - Spiritual body of life which came from building the spiritual body here while being able to have a relationship with God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The only difference is unbelievers are placed outside the kingdom of God ~ and those who are placed inside are believers who willingly partook in believing and having faith.
That is also what I believe. :)

I believe that the soul (spirit) of man is immortal, so no matter what people believe or disbelieve no soul ever actually perishes, so perish in John 3:16 means not attaining eternal life, which is nearness to God and which is attained through knowing and believing in Jesus.

“The immortality of the spirit is mentioned in the Holy Books; it is the fundamental basis of the divine religions. Now punishments and rewards are said to be of two kinds: first, the rewards and punishments of this life; second, those of the other world. But the paradise and hell of existence are found in all the worlds of God, whether in this world or in the spiritual heavenly worlds. Gaining these rewards is the gaining of eternal life. That is why Christ said, “Act in such a way that you may find eternal life, and that you may be born of water and the spirit, so that you may enter into the Kingdom.” 2Some Answered Questions, p. 223

Those people who are veiled from God, although their soul continues to exist in the spiritual world after their physical body dies, are as dead souls who are not on the Kingdom of God.

“In the same way, the souls who are veiled from God, although they exist in this world and in the world after death, are, in comparison with the holy existence of the children of the Kingdom of God, nonexisting and separated from God.”
Some Answered Questions, p. 243

~ Sorry for the long write, thank you for all of yours.
I am the one who should be sorry :( the way I go on and on, but thank you for your response. :)
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Hello Twilight Hue; what do you mean by that?

Just simply noting the fact that we have not been always alive. All of us has had the experience and insight of being dead prior to birth.

It's just simply the case of returning home once more to something that has already been experienced before.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
True, we have never dealt with before, but since ' sleep ' is what happens according to Jesus and the OT, then according to my beliefs after we die we 'sleep'. Sleep until Resurrection Day (meaning Jesus' coming 1,000 year governmental rule over Earth).

Jesus teaching at John 11:11-14; OT at Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
What I believe Jesus was saying in John 11 is that anyone who believes in Him will arise (wake up) to spiritual life.

John 11

23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

24 Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”


Jesus resurrects people to spiritual life, not to physical life. Jesus was referring to the eternal life of the soul which one attains if they believe in Him, Jesus was not referring to the life of the physical body. When the physical body dies it returns to the earth and the spirit returns to God, who resides in heaven.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
This is not a religious topic is it? The topic is death, what are your thoughts about it?

Guess it would involve a little bit with religious topics, so if this is post should be placed else were will a staff member let me know. Thank you.

If you do have any thoughts about death, what are they?

~~ If you are someone dealing with suicidal thoughts on a daily, please seek help and please know that life is difficult, for everyone.
I see death as described in the Bible - an enemy.
Despite difficulties in life, I love life, especially moreso now that I have a better understanding of life and what it means to really live.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I see death as described in the Bible - an enemy.
I see spiritual death as described in the Bible, as an enemy, but I do not see physical death as an enemy.

32: O SON OF THE SUPREME! I have made death a messenger of joy to thee. Wherefore dost thou grieve? I made the light to shed on thee its splendor. Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?
The Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah
Despite difficulties in life, I love life, especially moreso now that I have a better understanding of life and what it means to really live.
I do not desire to love this life, because I do not want to lose eternal life.

John 12:24-26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

Matthew 6:19-21 Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

40: O MY SERVANT! Free thyself from the fetters of this world, and loose thy soul from the prison of self. Seize thy chance, for it will come to thee no more.
The Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Ah, semantics to cover up contradictions in my opinion.
And what is the difference between someone who is unrighteous and someone who is wicked?
I hope you understood @URAVIP2ME's explanation. Just to add, unrighteous means not righteous, but doesn't necessarily mean wicked, although a wicked person is not righteous.

However, an unrighteous person can be an ignorant person - meaning, one who does not know his right hand from his left (they don't know what's required to be righteous, Hence they need to be taught - Romans 10:13-15).
They may be acting on what they have been taught, contrary to God's will.

A wicked person, on the other hand, is one who knows what is right, but does not do it. They are not ignorant.
A person who has the opportunity to learn what is right, but refuses to, is also wicked, because they choose to be willfully ignorant. 1 Thessalonians 1:7-9

A righteous person is one who knows what is right, and does it.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Two topics death.

Physical death human dies self life experience ends. Body decomposes as death. Bones get left with God stone. As one body bones is like stone.

My lived living life recorded. So I own a personal life recording in heavens.. as you die you realise that spirit gas record.

Then you awake as your real self the one body spirit of your ownership that never left the eternal. As the self human experience no longer is owned.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I hope you understood @URAVIP2ME's explanation. Just to add, unrighteous means not righteous, but doesn't necessarily mean wicked, although a wicked person is not righteous.

However, an unrighteous person can be an ignorant person - meaning, one who does not know his right hand from his left (they don't know what's required to be righteous, Hence they need to be taught - Romans 10:13-15).
They may be acting on what they have been taught, contrary to God's will.

A wicked person, on the other hand, is one who knows what is right, but does not do it. They are not ignorant.
A person who has the opportunity to learn what is right, but refuses to, is also wicked, because they choose to be willfully ignorant. 1 Thessalonians 1:7-9

A righteous person is one who knows what is right, and does it.
I think you are redefining the meaning of the term unrighteous to suit yourself (ie semantics).

See my post #36 above.

In my opinion.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I think you are redefining the meaning of the term unrighteous to suit yourself (ie semantics).

See my post #36 above.

In my opinion.
Yes we know how man defines terms to mean something that was not previously meant. We see this in the English language frequently.
Not the way man sees does God see.
The Bible's use of unrighteous is not modern man's use of unrighteous.
So could you consider that you are accepting a usage that suits modern man?
I didn't redefine the terms. Modern man did.

@URAVIP2ME referenced the scriptures. Two different words are used for wicked, and unrighteous. The ancient writers were specific in their word usage.
English is a loose language, often resulting in confusion, and a need to "redefine" or specify terms to convey the correct understanding.
This is common knowledge. It's not a secret.
 

The Hammer

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Premium Member
Hello Hammster,

You say death comes for us all in the end ; and we will never know when it comes ~ Would agree with you about that when it comes to us for no one knows the exact day of their very own physical death.

Interesting thoughts on death is no unpleasant yet, it is like falling more asleep interesting. Thank you for your comment.

-Havamal
75.
Cattle die and kinsmen die,
thyself too soon must die,
but one thing never, I ween, will die, --
fair fame of one who has earned.

76.
Cattle die and kinsmen die,
thyself too soon must die,
but one thing never, I ween, will die, --
the doom on each one dead.

Thank you for your kind reply. I sadly have experience dying. :)
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Ah, semantics to cover up contradictions in my opinion.
And what is the difference between someone who is unrighteous and someone who is wicked?
Good question.....according to my beliefs, an "unrighteous" person can be ignorant and given time and education, they can change.....but a "wicked" person, according to scripture, is what the scribes and Pharisees were in Jesus' day....

Matthew 12:36-39
"I tell you that men will render an account on Judgment Day for every unprofitable saying that they speak; 37 for by your words you will be declared righteous, and by your words you will be condemned.”
38 Then as an answer to him, some of the scribes and the Pharisees said: “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.” 39 In reply he said to them: “A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Joʹnah the prophet."


They knew the truth of their scripture, but denied it, and orchestrated the murder of a man that had been found innocent under the Law of the Land, but who had exposed them as religious frauds. So they were spitefully motivated, with no intention to change their ways.
Did they ever repent, confess their sin and turn to doing good like the Apostle Paul?

Jesus said...
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in. . . . .“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you travel over sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one, you make him a subject for Ge·henʹna twice as much so as yourselves. . . . “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was necessary to do, yet not to disregard the other things. 24 Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel! . . . .“Serpents, offspring of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of Ge·henʹna?" (Matthew 23)

That is the definition of "wickedness". Unlike "sheol" or "hades" "Gehenna" is a placed from which no one returns.
"And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Ge·henʹna". (Matthew 10:28)

When God pronounces someone "wicked" they will be "destroyed" in Gehenna....a place of eternal death.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
This is not a religious topic is it? The topic is death, what are your thoughts about it?

Guess it would involve a little bit with religious topics, so if this is post should be placed else were will a staff member let me know. Thank you.

If you do have any thoughts about death, what are they?

~~ If you are someone dealing with suicidal thoughts on a daily, please seek help and please know that life is difficult, for everyone.
Death comes when time is right :) it is a part of life too.
Other than that i do not think a lot about it,
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yes we know how man defines terms to mean something that was not previously meant. We see this in the English language frequently.
Not the way man sees does God see.
The Bible's use of unrighteous is not modern man's use of unrighteous.
So could you consider that you are accepting a usage that suits modern man?
I didn't redefine the terms. Modern man did.
So show me the ancient dictionary where unrighteous is defined as not wicked.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
So show me the ancient dictionary where unrighteous is defined as not wicked.
These are Greek. If you also want the Hebrew, just check the Hebrew Concordance.

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